Mil Surps Can sure shoot!

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I consider my self an average shot at best, but today I got lucky!

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Shot with my Swiss K-31 with GP-11 ammo at 100 yards and little or no wind. Rifle has a 2X scope on a scout mount.

Not bad for an $80 rifle and a $30 scope...
 
You have to remember what that rifle was made for....a nation of citizen soldiers to accurately defend home and country. They pride themselves on marksmanship and compete against other cantons and towns in shooting contests between units.

Add to that the fact that every soldier kept his rifle at home (with ammo), and had to pass inspection and qualify with it every year. Any damage to the gun was paid for BY THE SOLDIER!! That means they took good care of their very good rifles. The bolt looks like tool-steel, the machining is immaculate, the wood is a very robust beech, and the design beds itself almost perfectly. The action is fast and natural, and the balance and weight of the gun is top notch.

Plus the Swiss did something else very unique amongst nations - they made Match-Grade ammo their standard cartridge. There isn't match or machine gun or just issue ammo. There's only GP-11 and it's all very very good stuff. Probably as good as any milsurp ever made. Even handloaders have a hard time duplicating it's performance.

My scoped K-31 has shot a .565" group at 100 yards, and will routinely shoot sub-MOA, with no modifications to it. I've heard tales of that kind of accuracy from issue weapons, but mine is a no-BS honest engine and documented score before witnesses.

In short, I LOVE SWISS guns! :D
 
7.5mm x 55 always seems mega expensive ... every time I look but .....

Here is proof of both ammo standard and capability of the rifle .... it is one of the few C&R's I have yet to find for the collection.

Nice result .. very nice indeed. More than satisfying I'll wager!!:)
 
At www.dansammmo.com, you can get 60 rounds of GP-11 shipped and 10 chargers for $30. At (i think) interordnance, ammo alone is $23 plus about $5 shipping. Considering that the chargers usually sell for about a buck a piece, you're getting a steal. Also, after you use the chargers, you can resell and use the funds from them and buy another batch of dansammo.com gp-11 and get more chargers to use with your new ammo. Works for me- this is my rifle. Though a very poor pic, the metal is perfect on the rifle, as is the action and bore. The woodstock, however, is dinged and very discolored on the underside. I am thinking about refinishing it but the discoloration and dings (i feel) gives it personality :cool:

(yes, that's my giant foot. size 14 gets in the way sometimes :p )
 

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Must agree with previous poster about the Finn M39. I regularly shoot five shot 1.5" groups at 100 yds. with mine (from a bench, of course) using super expensive match grade WOLF ammo (about $4 per box of 20). And I'm probably the worst shooter in this thread.

Haven't had the pleasure of shooting the K-31 yet, but that ammo cost sure is prohibitive for a non-handloader like me. The K-31 pictured above is a beauty--most I've seen are pretty dinged up.
 
I was hoping that the K-31 at the local gunshop would last until the wife cooled down from my last purchase, but it was not to be...they went and sold it. :banghead:

Those things are sweet, and by all accounts, great shooters. Built like a Swiss watch (go figure). Ah well, one of these days...

Until then I'll just have to console myself with another Mosin or two. :D
 
This is one of those rifles that begs you to get a C&R license. I've had mine for about 2 years now, and it is the sweetest C&R shooter I have. I only have one C&R thats more accurate, at thats the MAS-36, believe it or not.
 
From what I have read here and other places, 7.5X55 Swiss is not hard to reload. Use standard .308 bullets (and loads). Brass can be formed from .284 easily. Just run it through the sizing die and trim to length.

Have never done, this, just repeating what I read on the Internet (so it must be true!)

If true, you can reload 7.5X55 for nearly as cheap as .308 or other common calibers.
 
I love shooting my mil-surps. My Finnish Mosin-Nagants and Persian Mausers are so accurate it's scary. With cheap Turkish 8mm ammo and my Persian Mauser, I can put several shots into one hole (not even a ragged hole) at 50 yards with iron sights. Average 10 shot group is about 1". Absolutely unbelievable. My C&R license was the best $30 I ever spent.

These K-31's are supposed to be the best. I never bought one because of the expensive ammo. Yours looks outstanding.
 
Yes it is one of Darrell's, available here .

A great mount and a great person to do business with!

The Finn barrelled Mosins are great as well. I have a M91 that was a German capture during WWI, made its way to the Czechs, and then was sold to the Finns and given a VKT (Valmet) barrel in 1942.
 
Very nice group

Guys, why is it that every time I go to that Darrel's scout mount page, I click on every link there, and nothing has any actual info about the mount, nor any way to order it? :confused: When you click on the picture, it just takes you back to that same forum page. How does one actually buy one?

Ahhh, upon further review, one need just email Darrell at [email protected] and tell him which mount you would like to purchase (K31, M39, etc), and he will send you an order form.

http://pub113.ezboard.com/fparallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforumsfrm85.showMessage?topicID=105.topic

And if you please, what is the difference between the M38 and M39 Mosins?
 
Question: And if you please, what is the difference between the M38 and M39 Mosins?


Answer: The M38 (or "1938 carbine", really) Mosin is a Soviet carbine. They are M91/30 Mosins that were cut down to carbine length. The M39 Mosin is a Finnish rifle, made from 1891 Mosin receivers. It is the final great achievement of Finn rifle makers before WW-II. The Finns had many rifle models based on the Mosin 1891 receiver, and the M39 was the latest and best model produced in quantity. The M39 has several design advantages over all the other Mosin designs, it is normally extremely accurate with the correct ammo, and is very rugged. The rifle and it's different variations are just fascinating. Check out www.mosin-nagant.net for more quick info.

I have several M39's that were made in 1942-44, but have receivers that were made from 1895-1910. Simply amazing.
 
I thought it looked like one of his. I've never tried one of his, but know several people who have and they have had great luck with them. Great looking rifle, and very nice shooting.
 
Close up of the mount

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That's an NC Star 2X pistol scope. Perhaps someday I'll upgrade to a Leupold or Burris, but not too soon.
 
[in my best nonengineerese]

There is a roll pin that holds the rear sight in place. That pin is drifted out and the sight leaf(?) is removed but the base remains. The scope mount replaces the leaf and in locked in with the afore mentioned pin. Two hex screws on each side clamp the mount to the site base and two on top keep the mount level. The mount is a Weaver base. You lead to mount a scope that has long eye relief, usually a pistol scope, and that isn't so long that it blocks the loading/ejection port. See the afore mentioned link for more details.




hey I used "afore" twice in the same post
 
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