Warning, rant to follow: Remlin strikes again.... I mounted a scope on a brand new Marlin X7 yesterday and when I tried to bore sight it there wasn't enough vertical adjustment. For the heck of it I tried a different scope and rings, same problem. The barrel looks straight and is a very heavy profile so there is no way it is bent enough to cause this. The scope is mounted low so that’s not a factor. So, that leaves the receiver and scope mount base, which came installed from the factory. I haven't tried a new base yet but I doubt that’s' the problem. I'm guessing that the rear of the receiver was ground improperly, making the surface too low, tipping the front of the scope up. I can make a brass shim to put under the rear of the base to solve the problem but it's inexcusable that I should need to. I've seen many, many examples of "Remlin's" lousy quality control in Marlin's new lever guns but this is the first time that I saw it in one of their bolt actions. I'm just about done with new Marlins of all types for good... I'm finished ranting....
More Remlin junk... this time in the Marlin X7...
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Clayton86
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I think I'v read about this same issue on marlin owners forum and you need to shim the base like you said. I have a pre remlin XS7 in .243 made in CT it came with a scope and bore sighted she puts 58gr vmax in the same hole at 100yds opens up just a touch at 200 but still under 1".
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It isn't just Remington. I bought a Savage Weather Warrior last year (a $700 rifle) with a similar problem ... the rear of the receiver is too high. When I installed Talley rings with an integral base, I had to lap the crap out of them to get them aligned. At the time I assumed that the Talley rings were rubbish but when I tried to mount a one-piece EGW Picatinny base, it became very clear that the receiver was to blame. The rear is about 3/32" higher than the front so I've decided to turn the receiver on a lathe to true up the top and then Cerakote it along with the fancy McGowen barrel I bought for it. A friend's Weather Warrior has the same problem but not quite as bad as mine.
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Bushpilot, sorry for your experience.
I have a real Marlin and the new just do not compare.
I have a real Marlin and the new just do not compare.
FiveInADime
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Are you SURE that it isn't just that GARBAGE aluminum base that came on the rifle? Did you try swapping it out with quality bases? Any bases that fit a SA Win. Model 70 also fit the Marlin X7s. Mine worked out just fine but I have read many, many stories over on Marlinowners.com about not having enough elevation to zero the scope.
On my Remlin made XS7S the base worked just fine as far as alignment, but I did twist off one of the screw heads trying to snug up the base. Luckily, I had another screw of the same dimensions in my goody box.
On my Remlin made XS7S the base worked just fine as far as alignment, but I did twist off one of the screw heads trying to snug up the base. Luckily, I had another screw of the same dimensions in my goody box.
No, I'm not sure. Like I said, I haven't tried a new base yet but I will before I go the shim route. I just doubted that it's the base because if it was then all should be out of alignment and, from what I'm hearing since I started looking into this problem, some are and some aren't. I would think the base would be more likely to be consistent than the receiver. We'll see... Either way it turns out to be, Marlin's quality control is woefully lacking since that base came mounted on the rifle from the factory. Thanks to all for the responses...
jeff-10
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Let me be the guy who offers a contrary experience. I bought a NIB Marlin 336 2 weeks ago and I have never owned a rifle that is as flawless in fit and finish as that rifle. FWIW, it is a 30-30 with a birch stock. Shoots to the point of aim at 50 yards without even having to adjust for elevation let alone for windage.
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What is up with the Remington made Marlins anyway? I've read story after story of terrible Remlin QC, while at the same time seeing (1st hand and 2nd hand reports) some really great, brand new Marlin guns. I don't understand it. Besides that, is this a Remington-wide problem, or mostly a Remlin issue? With all these reports of terrible QC on the Remlins, why not corresponding reports of issues with Remington guns?
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ApacheCoTodd
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And the long, slow, agonizing death of the American firearms industry continues for the sake of investors short term gains.
Thanks for the heads up.
Thanks for the heads up.
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The issue w/ the Marlins is that they brought over the tooling but not the skilled workers. You're not seeing Remington QC issues because the workers know how to make them. With the amount of hand fitting that's required on the Marlin lever actions you can see where the problems arise. They're also making the stocks at a different location.
I'm one of the lucky ones that was able to purchase a good new 1894C. It wasn't 100% but it's a field gun.
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Badlander
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5 whole yards!
A lot of people are done with new Marlins. Look used. ESPECIALLY in the lever guns. I am very happy with my Marlin (real JM stamped) XS7 in 7mm-08. There have been a lot of mixed reviews on the Remlin bolt gun quality and terribly negative ones on the lever gun quality. Its a darn shame what Remington did to Marlin. Makes me sick.
When I wanted a .35 Remington, I asked around and found a barely used 1969 model for sale from a member of my local gun club. When I say barely used I mean it came in the original Ted Williams case and had a box of old .35 Remington ammo in the pocket that had a price tag of $6.99. I doubt its been shot 50 times. I paid $200 for it. Look around and you might be surprised what you can find.
When I wanted a .35 Remington, I asked around and found a barely used 1969 model for sale from a member of my local gun club. When I say barely used I mean it came in the original Ted Williams case and had a box of old .35 Remington ammo in the pocket that had a price tag of $6.99. I doubt its been shot 50 times. I paid $200 for it. Look around and you might be surprised what you can find.
jeff-10
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Heh. Should be 50 yards.
FiveInADime
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Maybe (hopefully) Marlin will crank out quality again in the future. Just look at Winchester. As to the death of American firearms companies; I highly doubt we'll see that any time soon. There are plenty of examples of decent quality coming from the Remlin plants, but people don't come online to whine about those ones. I personally have seen some examples of the crappy quality issues with Remlins on the shelf like iron sights canted off to one side on .22s, terrible stock fit on some of the X7 rifles and poor workmanship on the Lever guns in many areas. I think these issues will diminish with time and if not the company will fail and hopefully be bought and ressurected by a quality firm.
Kachok
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I don't buy any firearm made by any CCM owned company. They are poison for any company, I was working for Chrysler when they bought us out, they are just bad news.
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Was Chrysler doing well before Cerberus came along? Was Remington?
Why did Daimler sell off Chrysler to CCM ....
"What Daimler gains from the deal is closing the door on ongoing losses and liability for future health care costs, for Chrysler's unionized employees and retirees, estimated to be as high as $18 billion."
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Kachok
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The last thing Chrysler and Remington needed was a sharp drop in build quality. Good reputations take many years to build, and only a few years destroy. I won't be touching a Remington rifle for many years (if ever). I used to swear by Remington 700s, now I just swear at them.
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If Cerberus Capital Management wants to earn back the goodwill of its Marlin customer base, it needs to offer a "no questions asked exchange policy". I just looked through the Marlin website trying to understand the warranty, and the language seems to be focused on locating the "authorized repair center". Heck, if I buy a rifle new and get a poor quality one, I'm not interested in getting it repaired, I'd want it exchanged. It seems to me that if Marlin was selling a quality product, then they'd have no qualms about taking it back. I think that's the only way they're going to clear out the distribution channel of the low quality stuff.
Look at the good that Hyundai's 10 year warranty did for them in contrast to all the other auto manufacturers 3 year warranty. Cerberus needs to stand behind their product and step up.
Look at the good that Hyundai's 10 year warranty did for them in contrast to all the other auto manufacturers 3 year warranty. Cerberus needs to stand behind their product and step up.
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That's a laugh. Chrysler has NEVER had a reputation for quality!!! As for Remington, when CCM came along they were $200M in debt and quality issues were already showing up. The last four years haven't helped due to the incredible demand for firearms and ammunition and many other companies have struggled with the problem of increasing production while maintaining quality. The issue at Marlin was that the rifles "as built" by experienced Marlin employees were not consistent with the drawings. It's wholly the fault of Marlin long before Remington showed up because no one at Marlin (pre Remington) bothered to make the necessary changes to the drawings. In hindsight, CCM should have put people in place to assure all of that knowledge was captured prior to the move to Ilion/Mayfield. You can hardly blame an owner of a "for profit" company for wanting to increase efficiency, decrease waste and make more money. That's the American dream right?!
Caveat: I still own a '98 Jeep Wrangler Sport (4.0L) that I bought in '01 with 14,000 miles on the odometer that has been incredibly reliable both on and offroad with only a $30 oil pressure sensor needing to be replaced in almost 100,000 miles. Chrysler got the TJ right and I would buy another without any worries. I would vote the TJ as one of the best vehicles of the 20th century so a big thanks to Chrysler for that.
Caveat 2: I also own three 700s, a VERSA MAX Tactical and three 870s. The VM and two of the 870s were made this year and I'm very pleased with the quality and function of all of them.
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