Movie - Pale Rider - gun identification

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I've seen this movie several times...

When Clint is taking care of the BGs in the end of the movie, he is walking the streets and taking them down. When he's out, he takes off the empty cylinder and replaces it with a loaded one...

just wondering what revolver that is supposed to be...?

who makes good replicas?

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It's a Remington New Model converted to fire cartridges. He also carries a smaller and similarly converted Remington Pocket revolver.

Pietta and Uberti both make replicas of the New Model Remington, often labeled the 1858 Remington. Cabelas offers the Piettas for good prices. There are currently two conversion cylinders you can purchase, the R&D and the Kirst. Just google those names and "conversion cylinder" for retailers.

Or, if you want something ready from the get go, Cimarron is supposed to be making a factory conversion soon.
 
Here ya go, snatched straight off the DVD:
PreachersRemmie-1.gif

It's an 1858 Remington that's been modified to fire cartridges.

You'll notice it has no conversion ring or ejector rod, and the hammer has been altered to have a firing pin.

Personally, I like this conversion better than any that I've seen offered yet.


J.C.
 
Very nice pic of the Pale Rider Remington- thank you!

Also, The R&D conversion cylinder is an almost exact replica of a genuine period conversion- windows and all.

I had a pic somewhere of an original but can't find it now...
 
Wasn't the original '58 Remington conversion chambered for a rimfire cartridge called the .44 Remington? I'm too lazy to look it up right now. :eek: :D
 
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Wasn't the original '58 Remington conversion chambered for a rimfire cartridge called the .44 Remington? I'm too lazy to look it up right now.
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No, originally it was a cap and ball revolver. the pale rider gun was a cartridge conversion that happened along in the 1870's after the self contained metallic cartridge was "invented". :)

edit, opps sorry...you're right, you said the original conversion, not original revolver...I read your post too fast and skipped a word.
 
here's some pics I found while google-ing, supposedly of Clint Eastwood's actual rig worn in the movie:

clint01.jpg


clint02.jpg
 
Sundance44s

One of my favorite Eastwood movies ..and i always thought the conversion cylinder he was useing was more like the R&D drop in ..now i see it isn`t ...hummm sure would like to see a picture of an original drop in conversion cylinder ...does anyone have one ?
Not a bad conversion on Eastwoods gun ..but then again it would be useless as a cap and ball gun ...I want to shoot both ways ..sometimes ya feel like a nut some times ya don`t .
 
where are the good places (cheaper) to buy quality replicas of this 1858 remington, as well as walkers, 1851 navys, and others?

One place I found that seems to have good prices is:

http://fcsutler.com/fccwrevolvers.asp

based on the descriptions, I like the Uberti:

Remington 1858 Revolver. 44 cal, Uberti. Millenium model. The difference between this one and the Pietta, (Besides the Manufacturer) is that the finish is dull overall including the brass trigger guard. The Pietta model is highly polished blue. Other wise these are very similar in function as well as quality.
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unfortunately, the conversion cylinders are more than the guns.

are there any other good places to buy this stuff, with good prices?
 
i always thought the conversion cylinder he was useing was more like the R&D drop in ..now i see it isn`t
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No, it doesn't seem to be cut back like the R&D cylinders... Which, if one isn't going to go back and forth between C&B and cartridges makes sense, at least to me. After all, altering the hammer and making a few new cartridge cylinders can't be any more complicated that fabricating the conversion ring and milling down a percussion cylinder, can it?

And if you're already in the habit of carrying spare cylinders for reloads, what real good is having a loading gate?

From what I've read, there were quite a number of other conversions being made to the C&B guns by local gunsmiths during the mid/late 1800's besides the factory jobs. I can quite easily see where something as relatively simple as what was done to Eastwood's gun might be a popular option.

And as for converting back to cap and ball... it would only take a spare hammer and cylinder.


J.C.
 
By the way, Cabelas notwithstanding, the correct model designation is the 1863 New Model. The original patent date was 1858 hence the confusion.
 
Just ran across this picture of an original Remington 1858 that had been converted by the factory to .44 CF.
It seems to be the same type of conversion that was done to the Pale Rider gun, instead of a Richards-Mason conversion.
1858conversion1.jpg

So it would appear that the preacher's gun in Pale Rider is indeed historically correct and not just a Hollywood fabrication.

Other pics of various Remingtons can be found here:
Society of Remington Revolver Shooters


J.C.
 
yeah, I was noticing it was rimfire as well. Cool stuff!
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Don't use the screen cap I posted from the movie to judge whether or not that particular gun was rimfire or centerfire. The left hand was in motion in the frame I captured and was slightly blurred.

I couldn't manage to get it stopped at a place where everything was clear, but elsewhere the rounds do seem to have primers in the center.

Besides, I can't imagine the gun being set up to fire anything but 3-in-1 blanks, and those are centerfire. ( Or is that 4-in-1? I can never remember... )



J.C.
 
Sundance44s

Is there a Reward on the lost moneys ...I `m real lucky about finding lost money ... just last weekend i found 11 cents cleaning out my truck ..:(
 
I have the book "Metallic Cartridge Conversions" by Dennis Adler. It is an interesting and well written book with more than enough high quality photographs to drool over. It covers mainly Colt and Remington coversions with a little history of the handgun leading up to the coversions. There was a range of different conversiions during the time period they were done, generally 1868 - 1880's depending on the gun and the manufacturer. The thing that surprised me was they done up until the early 1888's. In the book they mentioned that the R&D conversion offered nowadays is almost like the origional factory coversion which sold new with both the cartridge cylider and the percussion cylinder. Later Remington conversions had a reformed trigger, loading channel cut in recoil sheild and an ejector. In both Remington and Colt conversions there is a wide variety of conversion methods to be seen and cataqorised. It is a shame that up until recently this facinating part of gun history had been largely ignored and forgotten. When I was growimg up in the 50's & 60's it seemed to be once the 1873 Colt was introduced that everybody threw their percussion relvolvers away and bought Colt, S&W and Remington cartridge revolvers. This is far from the truth, but in the 1950-60's it was presented as so.
 
confuses me

yeh it confuses me, the metal work is really good, not just some cheap conversion cylinder (got nothing against them), reminds me of the confusion i had with the good the bad and the ugly 51 navy
 
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