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This thread got me worried:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=216618

I'm a US Citizen. My worse offenses are: 6 points on NYS Drivers Lic for speeding. I once forgot to pay taxes on $5000 private job, so I got a letter from IRS, and paid it all back + penalty interest.

I just applied for Florida CCW. I plan on moving there from NYC soon. Is there anything I should worry about as far as buying a hand gun and/or getting the CCW permit there?

Do you go through NCIS check when you have FL CCW ?

What is this "randomly denied" BS ?!?!?

Or am I just paranoid? And there is nothing to worry about?

BTW, can I ran a BG check somehow to find out? Without buying a gun that is?
 
You are paranoid, there is nothing to worry about. According to NICS, 95% are approved immediatly. Of the 5% who aren't and are bumped to the second level, 95% of them are approved. Very few people are delayed and even fewer are denied. Of course if you are going to get denied why fill out the 4473? My facts maybe off a percentage point or two, but are essentially correct. I'm too lazy to dig up my reference. This was given to a group of FFL's at a BATFE seminar I attended about a year ago. It has also been true in my experience.
 
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It's NICS; not "NCIS" and

NICS checks are done at the time a firearm is purchased; not when you apply for a state license. The state will use other databases to check your record.

Nothing you have stated would be a disqualification.
 
Yeah...NCIS is a TV show....;)

I got a letter from the IRS maybe 20 years ago indicating I had not paid the correct amount of taxes and would have to either pay the $ + penalty, or challenge the matter. It was annoying because I have my taxes done by an accountant, but the IRS was right so I paid. I have since bought numerous firearms and obtained a CCW permit, no problem at all.
I think you'll be OK.
 
There are military members

assigned to NCIS, but most NCIS special agents are CIVILIANS. Ditto with AFOSI.

Are special agents subject to the UCMJ? No. Then they're not military. Sorry.

And they get paid a heck of a lot more than their military counterparts.
 
NICS is another BS form of gun control. The GCA of 1968 was the start of the downfall.

I wish NICS would just go way
 
NICS is another BS form of gun control. The GCA of 1968 was the start of the downfall.

I wish NICS would just go way
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Sorry, but I disagree. NICS is a viable means of keeping firearms out of the hands of convicted felons and those ajudicated mentally incompetent to handle them. True, it needs improvement. If a merchant can check my credit card in seconds to determine whether I have sufficient credit to purchase an item, a gun dealer should be able to determine whether I'm ineligible to purchase a firearm just as quickly.

IMHO, NICS should be required to legally transfer any firearm. Anyone should be able to do an NICS check over the web, and find out instantly whether a prospective buyer was ineligible to own a firearm.
 
If a merchant can check my credit card in seconds to determine whether I have sufficient credit to purchase an item, a gun dealer should be able to determine whether I'm ineligible to purchase a firearm just as quickly.
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Apples and oranges. The credit card transaction is a simple numbers game. The credit line is available or it is not. And that even gets screwed up frequently.

If anything of concern pops up on a NICS check, it becomes the subjective analysis of an FBI employee as to whether the hit is disqualifying or not. And the data base is constantly changing as records are submitted by the states, records that are frequently incomplete or innaccurate.

That wouldn't be so bad if the error were to default to the buyer, but it doesn't. The default position is a "delay" or "denial," with the burden of proof falling on the consumer to prove the government data is incorrect. They claim you have some disqualifying condition, and you have no knowledge of its existence (i.e. it doesn't exist, except somehow in the NICS data base), how do you prove a negative?

Having said that, in my day job I take calls daily from people with NICS problems... and after long conversation we generally find they did whatever it is NICS said they did. They just "forgot."
 
Your Florida CCW is not worth the paper it is printed on in New York. Plus you will have to register your gun(s) in NY, and it can take some time before they will be legal. You should have someplace to keep them in FL until you can legally bring them to NY. If you are moving to upper NY state, you MIGHT be able to get a CCW IF you can convince a judge you NEED (not want) to carry a gun. In NYC, forget it unless you are very wealthy and/or politically powerful. Ordinary folks just don't get permits. Even owning a handgun is difficult and now even owning a long gun is becoming harder. Of course, crooks ignore the law and the cops ignore the crooks, so everyone is happy.

Jim
 
NICS is a viable means of keeping firearms out of the hands of convicted felons
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It would be more worthwhile if they would actually prosecute BG's that get denied during a check rather than just sending them away. Oh, wait, they did prosecute someone ONCE.
 
When I renewed my Alaska CHP I needed to pay an extra $85 to have a little stamp put on it that says NICS exempt. I did this because I have been denied in the past due to a common misspelling made when entering my name into the Database (Happened 3 times, and trust me; it's a pain to get cleared no matter what anybody tells you).

It's the best $85 dollars that have ever been extorted from me!
 
the only thing I see NICS good for is to keep the liability off of the gun dealers. In theory a government official approves or disapproves every transaction... And there should be no criminal or civil liability for going ahead with an approved sale.

Other than that I'd like to see it go... It really serves no other useful purpose.
 
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