New Anti-AP Plates for our Troops

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Bulletproof Plates Stop Armor Piercing Bullets
by James Dunnigan, January 9, 2008
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2008190326.asp

The U.S. Army and Marines are in the process of replacing existing SAPI (Small Arms Protective Inserts) ceramic bulletproof plates for protective vests, with thicker, but not much heavier ESAPI plates. The new ESAPI provides protection from armor piercing bullets, which enemy snipers are increasingly using.

The basic "Level 3" SAPI plates are 10x12”, weigh 4.6 pounds each and cost about $400. A lighter weight (3.3 pounds) plate costs $750. The older Level 4 plates, weighing about 6.4 pounds each, could stop armor piercing bullets, but the new ESAPI weighs less and have the same stopping power. ESAPI is more expensive, at $600 a plate. There are also smaller plates that can be worn on the side. Despite pressure from politicians to force the troops to wear the side plates (which constrict movement and add weight), the generals dug in their heels, and were allowed to let local commanders to decide if side plates had to be worn.

SAPI are made of boron carbide ceramic with a spectra shield backing. This combination causes bullets to fragment and slow down before getting through the plate. Occasionally, some fragments will get through, but these are stopped by the layers of Kevlar that make up the flak jackets. The success of the plates has led the Army to try to get enough plates for all troops in the combat zone, not just those in infantry units. This is more of a morale issue than anything else, as non-infantry troops are most frequently exposed to bombs and RPGs. The fragments from these weapons can be stopped by the flack jackets without the plates. But morale is important, so the Army is trying to get enough for everyone. Since the ceramic plates require a manufacturing process that uses, and produces, a lot of toxic chemicals, much of the production has moved to China.

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Since the ceramic plates require a manufacturing process that uses, and produces, a lot of toxic chemicals, much of the production has moved to China.

I don't normally paint myself as an environmentalist, but this just seems sort of.. wrong?
 
Unintended consequences strike again

if you demand a zero-threshold exposure criterion for "toxic" chemicals, and you define "toxic" as "can cause cancer in rats given astronomical doses" then you'll soon be unable to do anything at all.

The worst enemy of "good" is "perfect".
 
So, we complain about chinas manufacturing process for toys, and turn around and award them a multimillion dollar contract for devices upon which our boy's lives depend?
 
we've had those plates for well over a year now, I wore them during my whole tour, including the side plates, wasn't too bad, they do work. my vest, including my ammo and all that weighed 70 pounds.
 
It is a cause for concern that we are allowing communists to be involved in our military supply chain in any respect. It is nothing short of despicable that the rationale for moving the manufacturing there is to avoid toxic contamintaion in our own country at the expense of the health and well being of workers 'over there' who enjoy no (or little) protection. I know it's a common practice but it doesn't make it right.
 
Hey its cool, China signed the Kyoto Protocol but doesn't have to abide by its rules because they got an exemption. However if America signed it (I hope we never do, as it is a huge waste of money for no return) we would be forced to obey it to the letter! So let them pump out all the dirty gas.

And heck, they can just buy and sell carbon credits from unindustrialized countries and maintain the status quo to evade everything in the Kyoto Protocol, woooo.

-I love the environment and am an outdoors type person, but dont believe the bull about "cataclysmic" global warming and the nonsense they preach to stop something that can't be stopped, because its a natural cycle.

To bring my post back on topic, I'm glad to see the new armor is being accepted. And as long as it passes quality testing and the Chinese aren't ripping us off (They wont, they like money) I'm fine with it being produced there for now.
 
I don't normally paint myself as an environmentalist, but this just seems sort of.. wrong?

Depends on what's being done. The threshold for "toxic chemicals" can be quite low, and the liability is long-lasting (literally creation to grave and beyond). A property owner is responsible for remediating spills, contamination, etc to the satisfaction of the EPA (and the state equivalent), which is often beyond reason. One of the standards that's been used is that a child must be able to eat the dirt from the site on a daily basis for years without any problems. Not quite rational, but it's the company's funds (as well as any other property owner who can theoretically be linked to the contamination) at issue, not the government's.
 
China is our friend, :cool::cool:, now they have the technology to manufacture them, with nor R&D expense, and can experiment on how to defeat them. :eek::cool:

China's our friend, trust me check's in the mail.
 
Having another country manufacture anything critical to military operations is a very dumb move.
 
I'd say buying foreign equipment from another country is a bad idea. Having another country manufacture it is common practice. We're not dependent on China for the armor. We could make it here if we wanted to. We have the license and the plants, etc.

It's not like we're buying G3 rifles that could have their shipments stopped and we'd no longer have rifles. If China pulled something with our plates, we'd just make them here at a slightly increased cost.
 
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