New Jersey Governor Will Sign Gun Control Bills

[alsaqr]

The bills include a universal background check.

Quote:

The six measures to be signed will:

—Require the seizure of firearms when a mental health professional determines someone poses a threat.

—Allow for an extreme risk protective order if a court deems someone poses a significant danger to themselves or others. The temporary court order bars the subject from possessing or purchasing a firearm or ammunition.

—Require background checks for private gun sales

—Lower the magazine capacity from 15 rounds to 10, with an exception for a popular .22-caliber rifle.

—Require residents to show a "justifiable need" to get a carry permit.

—Prohibit body-armor-penetrating ammunition. Quote.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gov...id=HPCOMMDHP15

 

[dh1633pm]

Does it define "body-armor"? Its not like certain centerfire ammo couldn't penetrate some things.

 

[RPZ]

Yep, unless specifically worded "pistol ammunition designed to penetrate body armor" or similar, this could be a defacto ban on most rifle ammunition.

 

[Jerseykris]

Does it define "body-armor"? Its not like certain centerfire ammo couldn't penetrate some things.

(see NJ assembly bill No. 2759)
It defines the ammo that would be considered armor piercing under this Bill:

a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and (c) is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, or (3) any person, other than a law enforcement officer, who knowingly has in his possession handgun ammunition which has a full metal jacket and an ogive with a steel penetrator tip followed by an aluminum core and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor

The Statement section of the bill gives a more general description of the Bill's purpose:

Under current federal and State law, the possession of hollow nose or dum-dum bullets is prohibited, as is the possession of bullets which are Teflon-coated or which have specially hardened metal jackets or cores.

Police officers have encountered a new and highly destructive bullet. The SS190AP ammunition for the Five-seveN Tactical handgun is uniquely designed. It is a full metal jacketed bullet, but utilizes two metal inserts. The tip of the bullet has a steel penetrator which is followed by an aluminum core. The weight relationship between the two metals causes the bullet to tumble in soft body tissue, resulting in massive and, in many instances, deadly wounds.

 

[Jerseykris]

Ok, while everyone else freaks out about the new magazine capacity limits, I'm going to take a very brief moment to be completely 100% selfish.

The bill carves it a specific exception for the tube fed Marlin model 60. The original 60s could hold 18 rounds, but under a previous NJ law in the 80's, that was cut to 15 rounds.
Now if I'm reading this amended law correctly, I can reclaim my original 18 cap model which has been languishing with a relative out of state all these years.
Not 100% sure on this, but will definitely be looking into it.

See NJ Assembly Bill No. 2761 (Statement)
In addition, the bill exempts from the 10 round limitation those semi-automatic rifles which have an attached tubular magazine and which is capable of operating only with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition. This exemption would permit the sale and possession of a popular beginner gun, the Marlin Model 60, often referred to as the “Boy Scout gun.” These firearms are low caliber and the tubular magazine cannot be quickly reloaded. The bill limited the exception for the Boy Scout gun to magazines that hold up to 15 rounds. These Boy Scout guns are manufactured with magazines holding more than 15 rounds. Therefore, the bill removes from the definition a limit on number of rounds.

 

[jonnyc]

"Under current federal and State law, the possession of hollow nose or dum-dum bullets is prohibited, as is the possession of bullets which are Teflon-coated or which have specially hardened metal jackets or cores."

Maybe NJ, but not Federal.

 

[dh1633pm]

Thanks for the answer.

 

[Blue Feather]

Does it define "body-armor"? Its not like certain centerfire ammo couldn't penetrate some things.

Oh they will have a field day with this part of the law.

 

[Bob2222]

"Under current federal and State law, the possession of hollow nose or dum-dum bullets is prohibited, as is the possession of bullets which are Teflon-coated or which have specially hardened metal jackets or cores."

Maybe NJ, but not Federal.

Not NJ either, at least for hollow points.

The hollow point part of the law wasn't changed. There is a blanket prohibition, but there are certain exceptions. It's so confusing that the NJSP has had this on its website for years:

http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-hollowpoint.shtml

NJSP Firearms Investigation Unit
P.O. Box 7068
West Trenton, New Jersey 08628-0068
609-882-2000 Extension 2290 (Phone)
609-406-9826 Fax

Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.

N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:

(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].

Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).

Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:

1. A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
2. A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
3. A person going directly to a target range, and;
4. A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."

As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 2C:39-6g.

I've never heard of anyone shooting skeet with hollow point bullets -- but it's legal. This is New Jersey!

 

[Deltaboy1984]

Wow I Pray for the gun owners in states with all this craziness.

 

[2ndtimer]

And yet another state is added to the list of states that I will never visit. (So far, joining California, New York, Maryland and Illinois)

 

[heyjoe]

And yet another state is added to the list of states that I will never visit. (So far, joining California, New York, Maryland and Illinois)

with current trends in your state, it doesnt look like Washington is going to be far behind

 

[armoredman]

All laws were signed AND the NJ governor jumped on the armed felon murders at the art festival stating MORE gun control was needed, not that letting the felon out early was a problem.

 

[Frank Ettin]

No one seems to want to discuss the actual laws so there's no reason to keep this open.