New member: Remington 597 problem

[Bobson]

So im starting to think its not the rifle. I think it might be an ammo issue, or more likely, the remington junk scope that came with the rifle, which is really a $20.00 BSA rebranded scope is bad. It might just be me but it looks like when I tap the scope, or just move the rifle the crosshairs seem to...vibrate?

No disrespect, but this makes no sense whatsoever. Logically, it's impossible that your optics are the cause of your rifle's accuracy problem, based on the information you've given us. In Post #1, you said:

Maybe im just a little rusty? So out comes the vice. Lock'er down and tight. Good to try again. Another 3 shots and all over the paper....Maybe she doesnt like remington golds? so out comes some wildcat. Surely a change of ammo will make this kitten purr! Wait, thats not right! Again all over the paper!

Your scope has nothing to do with the accuracy problem as you've explained it. If it's shooting "all over the paper" with numerous brands of ammo, as you said several different times, the problem is the rifle itself. Send it in to Remington.

The scope may very well be a POS - but it's not possible for the scope to be causing a rifle that's held firmly in a vice to shoot a 5" pattern at 50 yards. FWIW, my BIL has a 597. It shoots half-inch groups at 50 yards all day long. I'm not a fan of the rifle, or of Remington, but I can't deny that rifle can shoot - and it's 100% stock.

 

[Juggalo Reign]

Went to the range. Must have been the rem scope because mini mags grouped 2" @ 25yrds. Goldenbullets are still 5" so I guess it just doesn't like them. Just need to find the right ammo now and ill be good to go.

 

[LoonWulf]

2"s at 25yds still seems huge to me, my old 597 shot everything into that at 50 and most ammo went into 1"s or so. How are your scope mounts? Do you have it attached to the dovetail? or did yours come with a weaver rail? and is everything tight.

 

[Juggalo Reign]

Ill just have to play around with some different ammo manufacturers and loads to find something that will give me the sub moa groups im looking for. Any load recommendations? Saw a video on youtube with someone testing different loads and Fiocchi 38gr CPHP shot 8 shots through the same whole at 50yrds so i guess thats where i might start. The reason i say this is because in the vid he was getting similar results to mine. golden bullets all over the paper, cci velocitors grouped about 3", federal about 4" and Fiocchi stacked same whole all at 50yrds. heres the link for anyone interested:

http://youtu.be/BuxoHFDoV-w

 

[Juggalo Reign]

2"s at 25yds still seems huge to me, my old 597 shot everything into that at 50 and most ammo went into 1"s or so. How are your scope mounts? Do you have it attached to the dovetail? or did yours come with a weaver rail? and is everything tight.

The scope mounts are tight and true. The scope actually came with dual band rings so movement shouldnt be a problem. It is attached to the dovetails, but it is as tight as it can be without striping the groves or the screws. Its drilled and taped for a weaver mount but there is not one installed.

 

[husker]

If 2 inches is the best it will do at 25 yards. Take it back. ITS A LEMON!

You should be rag holing 1 shot after the other at 25 yards.

 

[Bobson]

Ill just have to play around with some different ammo manufacturers and loads to find something that will give me the sub moa groups im looking for.

If you put your rifle in a vice and got 5" groups at 25 yards with any factory ammo, you won't get "sub MOA" performance with anything. Send your rifle in to Remington - there's something wrong with it. It's not possible for your optics to have been the culprit for the poor accuracy you were experiencing.

 

[husker]

Bobson is right. You vised it. Its not a scope issue. Something is not right with your 597.

 

[Juggalo Reign]

If you put your rifle in a vice and got 5" groups at 25 yards with any factory ammo, you won't get "sub MOA" performance with anything. Send your rifle in to Remington - there's something wrong with it. It's not possible for your optics to have been the culprit for the poor accuracy you were experiencing.

The vise is not clamped to the bench, so its line up, lock everything down solid on the vise (which is just sitting on the table), shoot, vise slides back an inch or 2, line everything back up, tightend down, shoot, vise moves, line up, rinse and repeat. So yes a bad scope is possible as i have to readjust after every shot. but yes, i agree with you, 2" at 25yrds is pretty bad grouping with cci or any ammo. I will be contacting remington in the morning. Will the newly free floated stock void my warrenty i wonder...

 

[husker]

I have no idea. If for some reason they dont warranty it? I wouldn't get to excited. I bet after you run a brick threw it. The groups tighten up.
Id still try to get another barrel receiver or an out right new 597 out of them

 

[Juggalo Reign]

Remington customer service was awesome. I was half expecting to fight some guy named Habib about how this is some how my fault and a you bought it, your problem now attitude. This however was not the case. They were polite, friendly and generally the best customer service company I have ever dealt with. I now have a prepaid box shipping to my house to return this this and have the barrel replaced. BTW apparently free floating the stock does not void the warranty. Only if you were to modify the bbl or the receiver. Hopefully some time in the next week I will be getting a tack driver in the mail.

 

[SG1]

Glad you got some positive movement on this Juggalo. I really like my 597 and have had zero accuracy issues. Really, I've had no issues whatsoever.

I will say my 597 does NOT like any ammo from Remington, but shoots Federal bulk flawlessly.

 

[LoonWulf]

I dont think ANYTHING likes remington rimfire ammo lol. Atleast not any of mine have.

 

[husker]

Awesome. I still want one in 17hmr. Hard to find anymore.