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New to me stainless Llama Max-1 1911
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If it has an external extractor it's not a true 1911 in my opinion, but other than that the Llama is pretty close. People say the Mustangs and P238's are " Small 1911's" but internally they are not even close, yet in some ways may have a slightly safer safety system.
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Huh ?, John Moses Browning came up with the external extractor and the 1911 came out with both the internal and the external extractor, as well as several other John Moses Browning designs like the Browning Hi Power which I like better than the 1911 because it is better than the 1911.
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Cool Llllllllamamamama!!! Much better than the Llllllama that spat on me in 3rd grade when I tried to feed him corn at the petting zoo!!! 
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And very few 1911's have external extractors as a percentage, to me external extractors have been utilized by some companies because it costs less to machine a slot in the side than to drill a long tunnel accurately, probably more of a cost saving due to less scrap. As a machinist I know the external extractor is much easier to get right. If you like them in a 1911 I hope you enjoy yours.
But I don't understand how anyone could like a HP more than a 1911, but if that's your choice, again, I hope you enjoy yours. I sold mine as soon as I disassembled it the first time and saw what was inside.
Taking apart a HP I realized how superior the 1911 was with it's symmetrically balanced trigger forces, and how poor mechanically the weird linkages of the HP are, to my way of thinking. Plus, the presence of the obnoxious magazine safety, (which liberals like to favor) that in itself would be enough for me.
But I think JMB may have been slightly diminished mentally if he designed that HP ignition system, and I know why he had to go over the top and back down like that, but typically he found better engineering very quickly, I think possibly he just died too soon to get around to a better system.
To think otherwise implies that he accidentally designed the magnificent straight pull balanced trigger, and I suspect that he felt it was one of his finest moments.
But the difference between you and I may just be the fact that I'm a purist, I hate all the crap people attach to 1911's, they are beautiful as delivered commercially from the start.
I did find a forum thread where a poster said this;
"Browning appears to have developed the leaf spring extractor design for his locked breech handgun designs due to the vertical movement of the barrel breech during slide closure and opening. He wanted a wider extractor claw which would control the 'rim' of the cartridge during the full vertical iteration of the barrel breech. He apparently came to this conclusion after some difficulty with the Colt Model 1900 / 1902 extractor, which was a hybrid of the two different types." and this;
"It is worth noting that the original Browning Model 1935 High Power had an internal leaf spring extractor until the 1960's, when it was redesigned for a coil spring driven fulcrum extractor."
I've read forum posters saying Browning "Corrected" all the defects in the 1911 when he designed the HP, but we all know that other guy did much of the work, and if the HP was a correction it failed miserably based on what I saw inside a Belgian FN. The design was simply not up to John Moses Browning standards of mechanical excellence, IMO.
The Llama is a decent 1911 type pistol and I have known a couple people who liked theirs. The important thing to remember about the Llama and the Star pistols is that they are not true clones of the US 1911 and neither have inertial firing pins like pre 91 Colts or firing pin blocks like Post 91 Colts, In Condition Two, the condition In where the 1911 pistol contains a loaded magazine, a cartridge loaded into the chamber and the hammer is down is not safe in Llama and Star pistols while it is safe for Colts and true clones.
In the Llama the firing pin is at its full travel when the hammer is full down and protrudes from the breach face resting on the primer with the full resting weight of the hammer and its spring. A blow the the hammer from a drop or other method can set off the round. It is easy to check your gun by pressing the rear of the firing pin flush using a flat blade screw driver or other tool and checking the chamber face to see it the pin protrudes.
The pistol is as safe as any other 1911 in Condition one, hammer back and thumb safety engaged or Condition three where the chamber is empty and hammer is down. Just do not keep your Llama pistol in condition two.thinking it a safe condition.
In the Llama the firing pin is at its full travel when the hammer is full down and protrudes from the breach face resting on the primer with the full resting weight of the hammer and its spring. A blow the the hammer from a drop or other method can set off the round. It is easy to check your gun by pressing the rear of the firing pin flush using a flat blade screw driver or other tool and checking the chamber face to see it the pin protrudes.
The pistol is as safe as any other 1911 in Condition one, hammer back and thumb safety engaged or Condition three where the chamber is empty and hammer is down. Just do not keep your Llama pistol in condition two.thinking it a safe condition.
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