New to reloading, want to load .308 match ammo on the CHEAP

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Ive got a target rifle in .308 coming, and would like to shoot more for the same cash investment. I am looking at f class eventually though I know I will shoot more at 100 yds while at the range than anything else. Hopefully my FFL3 will come in handy for discounts. I have some reloading gear that Ive aquired when Ive seen good prices, but need a press/dies/and powder measure. Ive only reloaded for my mosin using a lee loader up till now.
500 rounds of match ammo is going for around 250 bucks online. Im willing to put out an initial invesment of this much if I know if will pay off this decade (I figure Ill be shooting 100 rds/month). Onve I find components I like I will buy in bulk if needed.
What are the cheapest sources for components with a C&R liscense? Can you guys with experience give me estimates of what your loading 500 rds for w/match components? (hopefully less than 250bucks per 500!)
 
You could cut expenses by using bulk bullets.
They might be overruns from military contracts, or bullets from pulldown ammo. Outfits like Pat's Reloading have them for around $55 per thousand.

I shot matches for years with bullets like this. Most were at 200 yards and I had some groups with two bullets touching at that distance. Best group in practice was one and three quarter inches at 200 yards. That's under MOA.

I used H4895, Lake City cases, and whatever Large Rifle primers I had on hand at the time. (Mostly CCI and Remington when I shot rifle matches.)

Buy powder in eight pound kegs and primers in 5,000 round cases. You can save a bit of dough that way too. Most suppliers advertise in Shotgun News or Gun List. You can find good deals on reloading presses and other equipment there too.

I don't know how much my .308 loads cost me, but it sure seemed cheaper than buying commercial FMJs for matches. I figure I paid off the cost of my two Lee presses with savings about 23 years ago.
 
First off I know of no where in the heck you got Match Grade (either FGM or BHA let alone Lapua) ammo for 500 per K?
I have seen FGM for 340 per 500, but your numbers are way off! Your not going to get any big discounts unless you buy in bulk, and well you still get the HAZ MAT charges FFL or not!

Buy good stuff and you will get good results.

Buy Lapua Brass spendy perhaps but I have 15 reloads on one lot of brass!

Here is my costs per hundred using real world #'s
Lapua Brass (say for ease of figuring 10 reloads on 1 pc of brass) 4cents
CCI BR2 Primer in bulk 3.6cents
Varget in 8# jugs 10cents
Nosler seconds ie 155/168gr cc 13cents.

30.6 cents a round counting the brass, that is about 6.20 a box of 20. You will have sub moa ammo!

That is pretty darn cheap!
 
Yeah, I hear ya. I'm really tempted to get the .22 caliber 55gr Vmax, but don't need 5500 of them!! But the $8.46 per box price is smokin' cheap compared to anyone else.
 
Match reloading suggestions

Hello, I reload my own match ammo in .308. Here's some pointers on what kinds of tools you should buy. As for components it takes a while for you to find everything that will make your rifle shoot perfectly, personally, I like CCI primers, Hodgdon Varget powder, I shoot a variety of bullets, sierra matchkings, frangible bullets, and 147gr FMJ.

As for tools. I highly recommend RCBS dies, an RCBS single stage press (such as the partner or rock chucker). A scale, a powder thrower, a powder trickler, and a hand priming tool. I would also recommend a lee primer pocket cleaner, lee deburring tool, a set of micrometers (calipers). A lee cutter and lock-stud and the case length guage kit for this caliber.

Dies:

I suggest having a full length rifle die set, this includes the seater and full length sizing die. If you shoot a bolt action rifle I also recommend a neck sizing die, this will size only the neck, improving case life. For semi-autos, the lee factory crimp die is a must. (you will also need a shell holder, again I recommend RCBS).

Press:

This is an area where you can fudge things a little bit. I personally like the RCBS, dillon, lyman, hornady, and I would even go so far as to recommend the Lee classic cast, however avoid the reloader and the lee handloader for .308 unless you like frustration. I saw in the midway catalog that there is a lyman starter kit for $150, it looked fairly complete but it doesn't have the powder thrower. (I just checked) so for this reason I'm recommending the RCBS rock chucker starter kit shown here:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=646599

This kit provides everything you need except for case trimming and dies, shellholder and it's a pretty good deal. (It also doesn't have the powder trickler).

Lee also offers a starter kit for much less. However the lee powder throwers really really really suck, mine always leaked powder, and required a lot of effort to move the powder charge bar.

Procedure:

Size your cases, if they have been fired from your rifle and you're shooting a bolt action, neck size only. Otherwise full length size.

Use the lee primer pocket cleaner to clean out the junk from the bottom of the primer hole.

Tumble the brass (if you choose to) otherwise wipe the case lube off.

Take your micrometer and make sure all of the cases are of uniform length and under the case maximum length. If not trim them using the lee cutter and lockstud.

Prime the cases with the RCBS hand priming tool (RCBS shell holders work best in this tool. Other manufacturers sometimes cause binding and are a pain in the ass to get into the holder) using Large rifle primers.

Set up your powder thrower to throw a charge about .5 grains under your target charge, fill the powder trickler about half way full of powder. Now, set your scale to the charge you desire, throw a charge from your powder thrower, and use the trickler to make sure the charge is exact.

Pour the charge into the case, and seat a bullet. Check the OAL of the cartridge to make sure you're not too long or too short and put it in a box.

If you choose to, you can now put a factory crimp on the case with the lee factory crimp die. I do not recommend using the crimping feature of most bullet seating dies as they often cause the case necks to balloon making it impossible to chamber the round.

Hope this helps!
 
Davo,

First, congrats on the .308 target rifle. Having shot 1,000 yard F Class for the past four years, I will try to give you my take on your question. Since you are trying to save money, look for a used single-stage press. You are trying to develop accurate loads, so you will be weighing your charges. In doing this, a high quality powder measure is not necessary since you will be weighing your thrown charges. Where you DON'T want to go cheap, is on dies and bullets. I would suggest Redding bushing dies. The advantage of the bushing dies is, they allow you to control the amount of neck tension on your cases. Light neck tension is a crucial part of developing accurate LR loads. Quality bullets are also important. I would suggest Sierra, Lapua, or Berger, and expect to pay $20 - $30 per hundred. You should be able to reload 500 match grade .308 cartridges for about $150, not counting the cost of your brass, since it is reuseable.

Don
 
Two popular recipes:

1. 175 SMK, 44.0 - 45.0gr Varget, FGMM 210M primer, case of choice (Lapua is best)

2, 155 Scenar, 45.0 - 46.5gr Varget, FGMM 210M primer, case of choice (Lapua is best)
 
I don't know doodly about .308 match ammo (but I'd like to learn). Here's my .02 for getting started and doing it cheaply . . . .find a bulk reloader in your area and ask him if he's got any used single stage presses. Most of the guys around here who do it get the presses from guys who bought them and then decided it was too much work and traded the press for some ammo. I picked up an RCBS JR3 for $25 that way a couple of years ago . . .I'd imagine that some of them would have rock chucker's, etc.

The second way that you can save money is that when you've decided on your powder and primer's see if there's a another guy locally who's looking to buy in bulk. I got my buddy into reloading and when we're each buying 2 8lb kegs it breaks the hazmat fee down to be a non-issue. (I think most places will sell upto 32lbs of powder for the same $20 hazmat fee). You can work the same game with primers. Don't mix primers and powder though in the same load as I think they charge $20 for each . . .we tend to order one or the other at a time.

Just my .02

Regards,
Dave
 
I have never got Federal Gold Match or Black Hills match ammo to shoot as well as my handloads.

I have so many .308s I can't count them in my head, but I might be dreaming:)

Anyway, what I would do is:
1) De prime.
2) Lube with Imperial sizing wax from Redding.
3) Re size with expander ball stem removed from sizer die.
4) Prime.
5) Add powder charge.
6) Seat Hornady Vmax bullet with either sliding sleeve seater or Wilson die.
 
Did a little rough math, and I can get costs down below .50/rd if I reload-about half of factory ammo. This is what Im looking at over at midway right now...I have some primers, an rcbs scale, and a few case prep items already...what say you guys about this stuff? Id need to get powder locally too. Im liking the hand press because im willing to take it to the range and tune loads there, I like the instant feed back that would give as opposed to spending weeks driving back and forth. The lee dies seem like a good buy, and I can try both neck sizing and full length sizing.

Frankford Arsenal Dial Caliper 6" Stainless Steel $19.99
148525 Lee Deluxe Rifle 3-Die Set 308 Winchester$24.49
218445 Hornady Brass 308 Winchester Box of 50 $25.99
271467 Lee Case Length Gage and Shellholder 308 Winchester $3.49
280175 Black Hills Ammunition 308 Winchester 168 Grain Match Hollow Point Box of 20 Available $20.99
335572 Sierra MatchKing Bullets 30 Caliber (308 Diameter) 175 Grain Hollow Point Boat Tail Box of 100 $24.79
410804 Lee Hand Press Available $20.99
476992 Lee Cutter and Lock Stud$4.49
536734 Frankford Arsenal 50-Round Perfect Fit Reloading Tray #5 Blue $3.99 $7.98
709779 Lee Auto Prime Shellholder #15 Available $2.79 $2.79
807875 Lee Auto Prime Hand Priming Tool
 
While I have never used the Lee handpress, I can't imagine it will be very 'handy' when it comes to resizing. Neck sizing won't be too bad, but I can't imagine trying to full length size with one.

I would stick to a standard single stage ram press like the RCBS Rock Chucker. It's only $100 new and you should be able to score a used one for $75 or less. There's always the Lee classic press which is cast iron and not aluminum like the other Lee presses.

As far as range usage, you can easily craft a portable mount. Sinclair's has one that I copied and have a single stage mounted on. Or you could easily mount it on a flat board or 2x4 and then c-clamp that board to a table at the range. Not fancy, but cheap and expedient.

As far as local powder prices, they aren't cheap. Both Turners and Centerfire Firearms (on central across the street from Riverside Plaza) charge about $25 per lb on most of their powders (including Varget). You can try Fowlers Gun Room who should be around $20 per lb. MiWall who usually sells reloading supplies at the Crossroads Gun Show in Costa Mesa (Orange Show Fairgrounds) has Varget at $17-$18 per lb.

I was told of a place that has Varget at $120 per 8lb jug, but I haven't looked into it yet:

Phillips Wholesale
Rick Phillips, owner
1226 E. Edna Place
Covina, CA 91724
626-331-3022

If you know of a better Varget deal locally, let me know.
 
Davo:

Get a bench press; name brand second hand or new. I haven't been able to wear out my Rockchucker but I have only had it since 1971.

Get good dies. I use Redding Type S bushing neck sizer and micrometer seater. Forster is good, too. I don't want any more RCBS dies or Lee except for cheap loading of odd calibers. I have READ well of Hornady but don't know anybody using them.

I dunno about Hornady brass, I use Winchester .223 and Lapua .308. Anything but Lapua, you need a flash hole deburring tool and maybe a primer pocket uniformer.

Why buy Black Hills ammunition if you are setting up to load your own?
 
Hey Ocabj, Ive actually been meaning to PM you. I know we live in the same area and you are familiar with the local merchants, reloading, savage rifles, and competition shooting...all stuff Im getting into after years of casual target shooting and plinking. I wonder if the Covina guy has bulk bullets and primers too.
I was feeling the hand press because it is also something I can use without needed to have a setup in the garage, or bringing another 20 lbs of stuff to the range, but Ive got nothing against a full size press. Especially if it makes a better product. Handyness is not my first priority right now.
Jim I was looking at the Black Hills ammo, and am just going to use it as a benchmark for my loads. I will break in rifle and sight it in with plinking ammo.
I know that lee dies arent the top of the line, but Im hoping that they will put out a good product until I can upgrade. Lapua brass seems to be worth the extra expense.
Thanks for all the advise guys...Im getting very into this recently. Right now Im off backpacking Joshua tree.
 
Question for the pros:

I have a bunch of Federal Premium brass. What do you think of that stuff?

My handloads using that brass seem to perform very well in my rifle. Would I see any benefit using Lapua?

Thanks in advance. :)
 
Critter183,

Your Federal brass will work fine, but Federal brass is soft and you will get few reloads out of it before the primer pockets open up. Lapua is great brass and lasts a long time.

Don
 
I currently load for .270 Winchester with just a Lee Hand Press, Leed Dies, and an RCBS scale and powder measure. I full length resize on the hand press with no problem. Just be sure to use enough lube. I have ripped the heads off of two cases because of lack of lube.
 
Thanks USSR. I had bought about 200 rounds of Fed premium 168 gr, and it shot like do do in my ruger. But my handloads work great using the same bullet and brass.
 
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