Newspaper trying to hang gun store

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The good old Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is at it again, going after Badger Guns. They've already done a couple of stories in the last three months, but this one beats them all. Over three full pages of largely unsubstantiated implications. If I were the owners, I'd strongly consider a lawsuit.

They got redacted reports, so they don't know what problems the ATF came across in their audits. I've heard store owners in other states say that they were given a hard time over punctuation errors on 4473's.

The Journal Sentinel, the DA and the police chief aren't going to rest until they've closed down Badger. After that, there will be just one gun store in Milwaukee County (The Shooters Shop), and it will be much easier to shut them down.

The story is here.
 
out of the two shops badger is the better as well. the owners and employees are much friendlier and take the time to talk to you. Shooters Shop are really just a bunch of snobs, way over priced and as far as im concerned plain useless. ask shooters a question and they get preachy and try to talk down to you as if you haven't a clue as to what you are asking. i was at both stores yesterday and guess which one i will not be visiting again. badger is getting a bad rap because of guns either being stolen and ending up in the wrong hands or straw purchases , ive seen them sell guns when i was there looking around and they do everything the same as shooters,gander, and cabelas concerning all forms required and watching the customer. ive seen the cops sitting in the parking lot of wendys watching people as they leave badger an sometimes pull people over right after leaving the parking lot. but badger didnt do themselves any good with the little billboard the had up a month or so ago with cops although i thought it was pretty good and fair.
 
I wonder, in a market where there are only 2 choices what is the ratio of sales store:store and crime-gun:crime-gun?

Not that it matters, if the store employees aren't the one going out and committing all these crimes shouldn't someone be out rounding up the people CHOOSING TO DO EVIL? :cuss::cuss::cuss:
 
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I’m a fan and sometimes customer of Badger Guns in their various incarnations.

The Milwacky Urinal has indeed been after them for some time. The MJS is fundamentally anti-self-defense.

Two things:

1. Far too many of the guns sold there do wind up in the hands of criminals. Several Milwaukee cops have been shot with those guns, so we can’t really blame law enforcement for being upset.

2. The thing is, Badger has done a lot to try to prevent this. I have been in the store when they positively grilled a woman who was trying to buy a gun. It appeared she was not a prohibited person but something got the employee’s attention. He asked her many times if the gun was for herself, who was paying for it, who it was going to and so on. She kept insisting the gun was for herself.

Now, just imagine if you were trying to buy a gun or groceries, and someone treated you like that. I wonder how likely you would be to stand there and take it, and then buy the product. Me neither.

Now, imagine that you are black and are treated like that. Can you say “civil rights lawsuit?” I know you can. Yet, I’ve seen Badger employees do that several times to black people, risking, in my opinion, a lawsuit.

I was there one day when they were concerned they were seeing a straw purchase. An employee kept the buyer talking while another slipped into a room in plain view of me and called the ATF. What did the ATF say? “Make the sale.” That way, they explained, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TRACE THE FIREARM! (Emphasis added.) So, Badger made the sale. Was it a straw purchase? I don’t know. But you can be sure that if it was, the Milwacky Urinal would be delighted to report it as such without adding what Badger had tried to do, and what ATF TOLD them to do.

The Milwaukee mayor is rabidly anti-self-defense. Protected by an armed escort everywhere he goes, he would rather see a woman lying dead in the street with her pantyhose wrapped around her neck, than standing up with a gun in her hand. Side note: he was injured by a man who cut him severely.

The Milwaukee police used to have a policy of confiscating firearms legally transported through the city. (This may have been when Madison WI was passing a law banning handguns from the city, even those passing through on the interstate. This was also when the Madison police chief’s wife baked his piece in the oven - where he stored it, cooking off the ammo.) If the cops stopped a car for, say, an illegal turn, they’d ask the driver if he/she had any guns in the car. One mustn’t lie to the cops, must one? Tell the truth and you’re out on the sidewalk in handcuffs while the cops confiscate the guns. They would then go into evidence storage. They would not be cleaned or otherwise cared for and would corrode. To get the guns back, the owner would have to threaten to sue. Then the cops would require the owner to pass the NICS background check for them and pay a storage fee. Finally, the owner would find the guns had been defaced with evidence markings.

I don’t know whether Milwacky is still doing that crap, but I, for one, trust them not. They have a high rate of arrestees dying in their custody.

Chief Flynn recently had a flagrant sexual affair with a local prominent journalist (her marriage is now in the tank).

He has been heavy on the anti-Badger rhetoric, not to mention anti-self defense. Trust him? I think not. After all, this is the city that prosecuted shop owners who killed murderous thugs during the course of an armed robbery.

Mayor Barrett has ordered that he be informed immediately of every “gun death” in the city as soon as possible, even if the cops have to wake him up. Keep in mind that the vast majority of shootings are of one dirt bag by another. (This is not to diminish the horror of innocent people being murdered by the scumbags Wisconsin won’t keep in prison.)

Barrett, methinks, is one sick puppy.
- Backpacker
 
Good points, Backpacker.

The city of Milwaukee comprises about 10% of the state's population, but accounts for a bit less than half of all violent crimes and nearly 60% of all murders/manslaughters.

With there being just two gun stores near the city, and one of them is almost in the ghetto, why is anyone surprised that criminals are going there to try to buy guns, or that they're going to have a disproportionate number of bad guys using guns they sell?

All of this media/political hoopla is now going to be tested in the real world. The guy who was the straw buyer for the nut who shot two cops last year is being charged by the US attorney for the straw purchase.

The judge is this case will be Lynn Adelman. Adelman is as liberal as they get. A few years ago a teenage girl shot and killed another girl for her jacket. The girl's attorney argued that she was the victim of "urban stress syndrome," a phrase the attorney made up, and said was the result of having seen so much violence. The jury laughed at the notion, and convicted the girl. Adelman liked the psychobabble, and overturned the guilty verdict.

So, will be straw buyer go to jail, or will Badger be punished for the crime?
 
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1. Far too many of the guns sold there do wind up in the hands of criminals. Several Milwaukee cops have been shot with those guns, so we can’t really blame law enforcement for being upset.
Yes, we can. It's got nothing to do with the gun shop. It's the criminals.
 
Well, the US attorney asked for ten years for the straw buyer, but Judge Adelman gave the guy two years.

Some things are so predictable that it's sickening.
 
I was there a couple of weeks ago shooting at the range. On my way out, an employee went outside with a customer to collect an individual waiting in the car. Didn't stick around long enough to see whether or not the sale was declined, however, it did show just how much they're committed to prevent an illicit sale.

On a side note, I love Flynn's lovely rhetoric regarding badger arms. "There's a cancer in our streets, a disease that spreads wildly like a tiger with wings and talons. Blood floods our streets, drowning innocents and youth, and that blood is on the hands of Badger Arms."

It's like poetry, man!
 
Sounds like Milwaukee needs a grass roots tea party type movement to get the word out to citizens. Take your community back.
 
The newspaper needs advertisers to run. Go or call the advertisers and state that you are a loyal customer and due to the anti gun stance of the paper and said advertisements within you will be looking for another more progressive retailer with less critical opinions to fill your needs in the future. Several dozen/hundreds of calls or emails from "concerned" individuals to each offending retailer WILL get everyone's attention fast.:cool:
That is a tactic the antis employ with regularity, use it against them also.:)
 
I love this:

After reviewing ATF documents provided to him by the newspaper, Chisholm (the DA) said ATF rules may say the Badger Outdoors sale was legitimate, but he doesn't agree.

"From a common-sense assessment of what is going on here, of course this wasn't sold," Chisholm said. "These guys are cagey, sophisticated dealers and they have legally thwarted every attempt ATF has made to regulate their conduct.  . . . They have a built-in escape clause. What other industry gets that kind of sweetheart deal?"


Why should the DA care about something as esoteric as the law when there are political points at stake?
 
On a sidenote, did you know that the Korean owned liquor store down the street from where I live is responsible for selling over half of the booze that people DUIed with in the area?! Someone write the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel quick! We have to do something!

That, and I think the store changed ownership a few years ago, clearly they're trying to evade prosecution!
 
I really get disturbed when people advocate moving out of an area over laws or political climate.

When you run, you allow that place to gain strength from your absense, this allows them to spread their wings further, and their bovine secretions further. Eventually it'll happen where you live then as well.

This is the nature of letting them win by moving out. Grassroot this crap right in the bud. There's bound to be enough legal firearm owners to stand up for this shop. Spread 100% accurate and verifiable information that will disarm their statements. Make sure it hits media channels if possible. It should be something they cannot backpedal from. If their credibility is shot, they'll very likely fail in their endeavor.

In this world, credibility still matters quite a bit. This is the heart of how politics works. If they manage to spin it though, you'll have to try harder.
 
Anything we can do to help?

Yes, there is.

Write letters to editors of The Milwaukee Journal expressing the facts in the recent spate of cop shootings, e.g. the "alleged" perpetrators already had convictions for various crimes, including gun crimes, and were walking the street anyway.

Ask why these scumbags were let out of jail. Ask why the judges don't throw the book at them. Ask why the county/state lets them out of jail early. Ask why the feds don't get involved when crimes are committed and guns are used
 
I just realized that police chief Ed Flynn came from Springfield MA. and thats only about 10 miles from where I am. Its funny cause he did a shotty job here and hes doin a shotty job in milwaukee



I just googled ed flynn and jessica mcbride. Man Jessica McBride in her pictures is a hotty
 
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