NFA tracker estimate just keeps getting longer. Accurate?

[Ranger Roberts]

So I have been playing the tax stamp waiting game for many years. I know all about the wait times. I have had stamps get back to me as quickly as 3 months and as long as 12 months on form 4's. I've had e-files come back as quickly as 38 days.

I logged on to the nfa tracker a few weeks ago to see my estimated wait time. I usually don't do this because it just makes me more impatient to get my stuff! Anyway, today my wife asked me about a few stamps that I have pending. She wanted to see the nfa tracker estimate. Each of the 5 stamps I am currently waiting on had the estimate extended by a full month (including an e-file)! I guess all of the "get'em in before 41F" stamps are really backlogging everything.

So do you guys use nfa tracker? Do you think the estimates are pretty accurate? If you are waiting on stamps right now, did you purchase your item specifically to get in before 41F?

Sorry for the rant. I know you guys feel my pain when it comes to this ridiculous wait!

 

[smogmage]

I know I will be adding a couple to that list before the rule change goes in. I'll wait as long as it takes as that will be the last I buy. Unless of course we have Cruz as president and he restores out firearm freedom.

 

[Ryanxia]

I have a suppressor pending and when I did the form 4 my local shop said they are doing A LOT more than before. My guess (hope I'm wrong) is that it will be over a year for mine (ATF just cashed the check 3/10/16).

I'm betting everything will take longer since the announcement in February. Oh well, that's why I have other stuff to play with.

 

[Ranger Roberts]

My guess (hope I'm wrong) is that it will be over a year for mine (ATF just cashed the check 3/10/16).

Oh man! I hope you are wrong too! I only had to wait 12 months once and that was a few years ago. It was terrible. My last check was cashed in January. However I recently e-filed another sbr. I think I paid about 3 weeks ago.

 

[giggitygiggity]

I feel your pain too. And yes, I am one of the people who just bought a suppressor recently so my paperwork is in before 41F.

Don't worry though, there are plenty of gun people who will tell you that 41F is awesome because they won't need CLEO signoff. However, if they had kept their mouths shut, drafted a trust (which can be had for free if you know how to write one), they could have avoided not only the CLEO signoff, but fingerprints and photos altogether. Whether the ATF would have enacted 41F without the crying of those who did not see the value in trusts, is unknown (some people say it was a loophole bound to be closed), but I am certain that people complaining to the ATF about the CLEO signoff definitely highlighted the benefits of procuring NFA items via a trust (no CLEO signoff, no fingerprints, no photos, anyone on the trust can use trust-owned NFA items) which is due to be quashed with 41F.

 

[pjeski]

I really don't think 41P came from within ATF. I think they didn't want it. I think it came from clueless politicians that simply wanted to change something, regardless of the actual effect.

 

[Girodin]

I have sent in multiple forms to get in before the rule change and I anticipate 2-4 more in the near future. I think there likely has been a rush. Some of the suppressors I have looked at are out of stock everywhere. Also I don't know if its typical because I never shopped there before but silencershop seems like its out of stock on just about everything.

I have had stamps take a year so, there is nothing to do but be patient.

 

[Ryanxia]

I really don't think 41P came from within ATF. I think they didn't want it. I think it came from clueless politicians that simply wanted to change something, regardless of the actual effect.

This.
It wasn't people crying about the CLEO sign off, just anti-gunners doing their thing. The ATF even tried to let it die, knowing how much of a headache it would be, but I think the last real kick in the butt was from Obama around the time of his latest speech.

Girodin - I think the out of stock suppressors is fairly new, my local shop that always had a good selection of suppressors has a lot less now and said they pretty much can't get in any of the popular ones. The only thing they have left is like $1,700 ones. I ordered my AAC 762-SDN-6 online and had it transferred to them. Hadn't realized it was going to take six weeks to transfer from online shop to them, but like you said, patience.

 

[yugorpk]

I'm waiting until after the rule change to buy stuff. Finally I can stop using this ridiculous trust thing and put stuff in my name.

 

[Ranger Roberts]

This.
It wasn't people crying about the CLEO sign off, just anti-gunners doing their thing. The ATF even tried to let it die, knowing how much of a headache it would be, but I think the last real kick in the butt was from Obama around the time of his latest speech.

41F wasn't an executive order, was it? Some of the republican candidates have talked about striking down all of BHO's executive orders. I wonder if that would include 41F.

 

[Ryanxia]

No it wasn't an EO, but I think it could have been quietly swept under the rug if it weren't for pressure from the Obama administration during that time. I'm pretty sure I read a blurb about him pressuring the ATF to finalize it, because it had been "in the works" for like 2 or 3 years already and hadn't really had any recent activity.

 

[Lennyjoe]

From my BATFE contact when I asked about my pending Form 1 and a change of address. I submitted in January:

We are beginning to work
January now, so if we need to withdraw that submission and replace it
with a corrected one, we can probably accommodate you with an expedited review.


Xxxxxxxx
Legal Instruments Examiner
Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives National Firearms
Act Branch

 

[Prince Yamato]

A bunch of dealers have been selling "panic about the rule change" for trusts, even though there's nothing really to panic over. That's why there's an uptick in approval time. They're suckering people into "buying now!" before "it becomes impossible!"

 

[Armymutt]

I'm still waiting for my stamp on a Form 4 that was approved on 3 Mar.

 

[Theohazard]

A bunch of dealers have been selling "panic about the rule change" for trusts, even though there's nothing really to panic over. That's why there's an uptick in approval time. They're suckering people into "buying now!" before "it becomes impossible!"

I'm sure some dealers are doing that, but we've seen a big uptick in purchases by our customers even though we're not fomenting a panic.

When a customer asks about the upcoming changes, my short answer is, "After July 13th there will be an extra step involved to buy an NFA item with a trust, but it will be a lot easier to buy one as an individual than it used to be."

Here's the thing, how much more difficult it will be to buy with a trust depends on everyone's specific situation. For someone who is the only person on their trust, post-41F won't be that much extra work. But for someone like me who has a wife who doesn't want to submit photos and fingerprints but wants to remain on the trust for legal purposes, that could be a big problem. That's why I'm rushing to get as many things in before July 13th.

 

[Ryanxia]

The biggest reason is simple, a high percentage of people who went the Trust route do not want to submit fingerprints to the ATF, a known rogue agency with a history of harassing American citizens. It may not be much more "work" after July, but a lot of people just don't want to do that if there's a choice of getting stuff in now without that requirement.

Besides, I'm only going to have the testicular fortitude to burn off my fingerprints once and I don't want to waste it.