Hocka Louis
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That is not the case statewide, i.e. the counties closest to NYC. Try getting a carry permit in Westchester or Nassau for example. Cancers spread.
No Gun Polls in NY / NYC
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I was born and raised in NYC (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens) and grew up in the anti-gun culture. I remember my Scoutmaster revealing that he had been in the Signal Corps in the Battle of the Bulge in an informal meeting at his house. He hesitantly revealed that he had a Polish Radom and we insisted on seeing it.
He swore us to absolute secrecy and brought it out (he didn't have any ammo for it) and we all handled it, feeling like criminals every minute. I don't think anyone from a free state can imagine the anti-gun mindset of New Yorkers. Seeing a gun was like seeing a snake or a spider, unless, of course, it was on a policeman's belt or on TV.
I moved out here (CO) when I was 22 and was amazed to find handguns sitting there under glass counters in department stores and was actually confused as to why a "regular store" would be selling guns for the police right out in the open like that.
I was stunned when I found out that no permit or paperwork or anything was required (pre-GCA68) and that any resident of Colorado could buy one.
The day after I got my Colorado driver's license, I walked into the same store and bought a gun. Showed my DL, paid my money, and walked out with it. I still expected to be "grilled" by the clerk as to why I needed it, what I was going to do with it, etc, but it was like selling a hammer or power saw to him --no big deal.
I still felt like a criminal for quite a while after that and remember closing the curtains whenever I handled it for fear that someone could look in the windows and call the cops on me.
Really!
Finally met a real gunnie from Colorado and he and I got together to shoot at the city dump (which is now the Boulder CO Rifle and Pistol Club range) and I got to shoot some of his guns as well, and some of that built-in-guilt started to slowly dissipate. I still remember asking him a couple of times if what we were doing was legal, and he'd laugh and say it was OK.
I still have that first gun (an RG-22 cheapie in .22 Short) and fired it recently (hey, shoots good, does what it's supposed to), but every time I pick it up I am reminded of that built-in-guilt I had so many years ago.
Went back once to NYC for my mother's funeral, but I see no reason whatsoever to ever go back to that brainwashed city again.
So now I have an "arsenal"(eek!) and a "cache of ammo" (eek! eek!) and "tools for making 'bullets'" (eeeeeek!) and an eeeevil laser sight (eek! ahk!) on the gun I carry (eek! eek!) every day and I have nothing but pity and pathos for the poor brainwashed folks under Mayor Bloomberg's thumb.
As for how many of them aren't brainwashed? I'd like to find out, but any poll questions written by New Yorkers would be loaded with subconscious anti-gun bias anyhow, which even they themselves would not be able to see. For one thing, it would be almost impossible for any NY pollster to divorce the idea of a "need" for a gun from any poll questions, and this notion would be inherent in any of their questions.
It's that ingrained in them.
Terry, 230RN
ETA (couldn't fit it smoothly into the above):
"Mr. Leno, why do you need so many motorcycles?"
"And you, Mr. Seinfeld, why do you need so many cars that you bought your own parking lot to store them in?"
Ridiculous questions, eh?
He swore us to absolute secrecy and brought it out (he didn't have any ammo for it) and we all handled it, feeling like criminals every minute. I don't think anyone from a free state can imagine the anti-gun mindset of New Yorkers. Seeing a gun was like seeing a snake or a spider, unless, of course, it was on a policeman's belt or on TV.
I moved out here (CO) when I was 22 and was amazed to find handguns sitting there under glass counters in department stores and was actually confused as to why a "regular store" would be selling guns for the police right out in the open like that.
I was stunned when I found out that no permit or paperwork or anything was required (pre-GCA68) and that any resident of Colorado could buy one.
The day after I got my Colorado driver's license, I walked into the same store and bought a gun. Showed my DL, paid my money, and walked out with it. I still expected to be "grilled" by the clerk as to why I needed it, what I was going to do with it, etc, but it was like selling a hammer or power saw to him --no big deal.
I still felt like a criminal for quite a while after that and remember closing the curtains whenever I handled it for fear that someone could look in the windows and call the cops on me.
Really!
Finally met a real gunnie from Colorado and he and I got together to shoot at the city dump (which is now the Boulder CO Rifle and Pistol Club range) and I got to shoot some of his guns as well, and some of that built-in-guilt started to slowly dissipate. I still remember asking him a couple of times if what we were doing was legal, and he'd laugh and say it was OK.
I still have that first gun (an RG-22 cheapie in .22 Short) and fired it recently (hey, shoots good, does what it's supposed to), but every time I pick it up I am reminded of that built-in-guilt I had so many years ago.
Went back once to NYC for my mother's funeral, but I see no reason whatsoever to ever go back to that brainwashed city again.
So now I have an "arsenal"(eek!) and a "cache of ammo" (eek! eek!) and "tools for making 'bullets'" (eeeeeek!) and an eeeevil laser sight (eek! ahk!) on the gun I carry (eek! eek!) every day and I have nothing but pity and pathos for the poor brainwashed folks under Mayor Bloomberg's thumb.
As for how many of them aren't brainwashed? I'd like to find out, but any poll questions written by New Yorkers would be loaded with subconscious anti-gun bias anyhow, which even they themselves would not be able to see. For one thing, it would be almost impossible for any NY pollster to divorce the idea of a "need" for a gun from any poll questions, and this notion would be inherent in any of their questions.
It's that ingrained in them.
Terry, 230RN
ETA (couldn't fit it smoothly into the above):
"Mr. Leno, why do you need so many motorcycles?"
"And you, Mr. Seinfeld, why do you need so many cars that you bought your own parking lot to store them in?"
Ridiculous questions, eh?
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scaatylobo
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@ 230rn
Sorry but this NYC born and now residing in NYS'er dont agree with your outlook.
I feel that since I live,hunt and shoot in this state I am a bit more of an authority on the gun situation here,than say you.
I go to DOZENS of gun shows here and shoot at a few ranges and I see LOTS of folk enjoying the freedom we do have.
I am not saying its all great,but the doom and gloom you state are from the perspective of one from outside.
Go to a Rochester Dome or Syracuse Arena gun show and fight the HUGE THRONG of collectors and shooters there.
Those shows alone host at least ten THOUSAND in 2 days.
I would love to see a poll of NYS shooters and hold that against the NYC people.
Then we might get a real movement to make 2 separate states as we have been asking for decades.
Sorry but this NYC born and now residing in NYS'er dont agree with your outlook.
I feel that since I live,hunt and shoot in this state I am a bit more of an authority on the gun situation here,than say you.
I go to DOZENS of gun shows here and shoot at a few ranges and I see LOTS of folk enjoying the freedom we do have.
I am not saying its all great,but the doom and gloom you state are from the perspective of one from outside.
Go to a Rochester Dome or Syracuse Arena gun show and fight the HUGE THRONG of collectors and shooters there.
Those shows alone host at least ten THOUSAND in 2 days.
I would love to see a poll of NYS shooters and hold that against the NYC people.
Then we might get a real movement to make 2 separate states as we have been asking for decades.
toivo
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New York State resident -- not born here, but I've lived here since I was eight years old. As others have said, NYS is not NYC. The biggest problems for upstaters, to my mind, are (a) the "may issue" status of pistol permits and (b) the "permit to purchase" requirement for each handgun. For (a), the county judges have WAY too much leeway: an anti-gun judge can singlehandedly make life difficult for every handgun owner in the county. I've seen it happen. There should be statewide "shall issue" guidelines that all judges have to follow. For (b), it's really back-door registration, and I don't trust it. I'd like to see any permit holder be allowed to buy and sell freely.
Thinks I like about NYS pistol permits:
Long guns in upstate NY are treated pretty much the same as they are anywhere else in the country: NICS check and you're out the door.
Thinks I like about NYS pistol permits:
- Good for life -- no renewal necessary.
- No extra restrictions on where you can carry, like sporting events, restaurants that serve liquor, etc. Some "free" states have these.
- Minimal training requirement for permit: one six-hour safety class -- at least in my county. YMMV.
Long guns in upstate NY are treated pretty much the same as they are anywhere else in the country: NICS check and you're out the door.
hermannr
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toivo: In some ways upstate NY does not have it too bad, once you have you license...that is only campaired to NYC though.
BUT: You have to have a "permit" to purchase, you have to have a "permit" to carry, (then that depends on some judges discression). Even though there is no law against Open Carry, if you are not a cop, the general concensus I hear seems to be that you WILL be hasseled if you Open Carry, Not ALL of your public lands are open to carry at any time for purposes of SD...and you must be a state resident with a permit even to "possess"...also the NY state constitution does not even guarantee that little bit as a "Right"
No thanks...I can purchase and carry in any public place, (as a non-resident you can too, within federal exceptions) including the state capitol...no nanny permit required..yes, this includes OC into a restaurant that serves, and I can have a beer with my meal...NO LICENSE REQUIRED. That is guaranteed by our state constitution. Our state constitution makes no bones about the INDIVIDUAL RIGHT to bear arms. Yes, we do have a concealed license system, but OC is open to anyone that can legally possess (federal law)
You will note I never mentioned NYS, only the City, and my perspective is from that standpoint.
But that touches on a general problem observed by others and that is that too often the large metropolitan areas of states tend to have too much influence on the rest of the state. You hear that kind of reaction from Californians regarding Sacramento and L.A., Illinoisans regarding Chicago, and so forth. No documentation is needed here, all you need is to browse the gun boards in that respect.
I do not know for sure of the history of how the Sullivan Act of New York City influenced the State Laws coming out of Albany, but I'll put my ten against your five that the NYC laws preceded the NYS laws. And I'll make the same odds that the same situation pertains with respect to CA-Sacramento/L.A. and Illinois-Chicago, etc.
This problem is endemic in United States politics, where if you live in a high-density area, your vote counts much more than the farmer who liked to shoot tin cans off his back porch in the other parts of the state. The same thing is happening (and has happened) here in Colorado, with the Boulder-Denver power base affecting the rest of the state.
But that's another topic area, politics. It just happened to blend in to this topic. However, I close with two of the most-cited covers of the New Yorker Magazine...
http://www.graphicsoptimization.com...examples/2007_11/NewYorker1976-03-29cover.png
http://papermestore.webs.com/02161935.jpg
Arrogant. That's the only word that applies, and all you have to do is switch the magazine titles to "The Chicagoan" and "The Los Angelean."
Seems to me that all we have to do is get that farmer off his back porch and down to the polls every freakin' November, Presidential election or not.
<sorta-kinda rant off>
Terry, 230RN
ETA: Just to calm myself down and end up grinning after the above, I reviewed this video. Ya gotta love the Gunny:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TriggerTheVote?ob=0
Ah, my Blood Pressure's down again. <takes deep breath>
But that touches on a general problem observed by others and that is that too often the large metropolitan areas of states tend to have too much influence on the rest of the state. You hear that kind of reaction from Californians regarding Sacramento and L.A., Illinoisans regarding Chicago, and so forth. No documentation is needed here, all you need is to browse the gun boards in that respect.
I do not know for sure of the history of how the Sullivan Act of New York City influenced the State Laws coming out of Albany, but I'll put my ten against your five that the NYC laws preceded the NYS laws. And I'll make the same odds that the same situation pertains with respect to CA-Sacramento/L.A. and Illinois-Chicago, etc.
This problem is endemic in United States politics, where if you live in a high-density area, your vote counts much more than the farmer who liked to shoot tin cans off his back porch in the other parts of the state. The same thing is happening (and has happened) here in Colorado, with the Boulder-Denver power base affecting the rest of the state.
But that's another topic area, politics. It just happened to blend in to this topic. However, I close with two of the most-cited covers of the New Yorker Magazine...
http://www.graphicsoptimization.com...examples/2007_11/NewYorker1976-03-29cover.png
http://papermestore.webs.com/02161935.jpg
Arrogant. That's the only word that applies, and all you have to do is switch the magazine titles to "The Chicagoan" and "The Los Angelean."
Seems to me that all we have to do is get that farmer off his back porch and down to the polls every freakin' November, Presidential election or not.
<sorta-kinda rant off>
Terry, 230RN
ETA: Just to calm myself down and end up grinning after the above, I reviewed this video. Ya gotta love the Gunny:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TriggerTheVote?ob=0
Ah, my Blood Pressure's down again. <takes deep breath>
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Carl N. Brown
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New York City and its anti-gun culture stirs up resentment because New Yorkers have been trying to shove their Sullivan Act down the throat of the rest of us for decades.
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-25.html
H. L. Mencken, "The Uplifters Try It Again", Baltimore Sun, 30 Nov 1925.
If your public library has back issues of standard publications and the Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature, go under "Firearms Legislation" and review the history of gun control crusades. The most irritating are the paternalistic New Yorkers like Madison Avenue advertising executive Carl Bakal who promoted "No Right to Bear Arms" in the 1960s push toward what became the 1968 Gun Control Act. Today we have Schumer and Bloomberg.
Don't bother to point out that unlike New York State, your state constitution has a RKBA that guarantees the citizens of your state have the right to keep and bear arms. New Yorker anti-gunners don't care, because their way is the best, and they want to use use the federal gevernment to steamroll a national Sullivan Act over the rest of us, the BoR 2A or state RKBA be darned.
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-25.html
H. L. Mencken, "The Uplifters Try It Again", Baltimore Sun, 30 Nov 1925.
If your public library has back issues of standard publications and the Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature, go under "Firearms Legislation" and review the history of gun control crusades. The most irritating are the paternalistic New Yorkers like Madison Avenue advertising executive Carl Bakal who promoted "No Right to Bear Arms" in the 1960s push toward what became the 1968 Gun Control Act. Today we have Schumer and Bloomberg.
Don't bother to point out that unlike New York State, your state constitution has a RKBA that guarantees the citizens of your state have the right to keep and bear arms. New Yorker anti-gunners don't care, because their way is the best, and they want to use use the federal gevernment to steamroll a national Sullivan Act over the rest of us, the BoR 2A or state RKBA be darned.
Carl N. Brown
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The Sullivan Act is a New York State law that was passed primarily for the "benefit" of New York City. Actually passed by state representative Timothy Sullivan who primarily represented Tammany Hall.
NY State is the most dysfunctional state in the nation. I know, as I've lived in many other areas of the country. We are the most corrupt, the most most inbred, and the most dominated by biased media. We also enjoy a school system heavily overfinanced and extremely powerful. This has left a society very accustomed to accepting unreasonable and counterproductive laws about most everything. We citizens exist for the good of the state. If you keep that in mind, it explains much of what makes NY what it is. The rights of the individual have nothing to do with the interests of the State. And our citizens and youth who believe otherwise, have already left. The others are state employees. We are not a very independent minded group.
Carl N. Brown
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