NOLA's future (& gun grabs)

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NOLA's future

Any speculation?

I'm of the opinion the NOLA PTBs are going to condemn and take as much property as they can under eminent domain at little or no value. Maybe the county records office has already been "destroyed" or soon will be.

The bulldozers will be fired up and clear as much property as possible. After all, the property is now of little value. NOLA might then assess cleanup/clearing fees against any owner claimed value. Then NOLA will start rebuilding the better located property with federal dollars and the best will soon resold at great profit.

Seems to me there are already a bunch of people thinking a destroyed New Orleans is gonna be a financial windfall to divvy up.

I didn't get my tinfoil hat on a little tight this morning, did I?
 
Yup, been my thinking most of the day now. Emminent Domain landgrab and rebuild the land of OZ. The population is gone and they have a clean slate to build a utopian city the way they want with a high tax base, new population is screened out and allowed back in the gated city. Check all weapons at the entrance.

The elite have a new playground without the original society. All in the name of creating a safe place to live.

You betcha,

Vick
 
The elite have a new playground without the original society.
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Yeah, that's going to last about five minutes. I'm not saying they won't try, and there will be more S hitting the F before it's over, but there's a problem with trying to turn it into something it wasn't before. I'll sum it up in two words: deepwater port. The shipping that goes in and out of New Orleans will bring back the usual class of blue-collar workers, and it will also bring back the problems associated with an industrial economy.

Remember, Louisiana has more rail infrastructure than any deepwater port in the states, and is the offload point for an obscene amount of oil. They can't just go closing down the whole town on a whim. The money won't stand for it, and the people will do what the money tells them to.
 
Gun control and land grabs

I understand now a) why the mayor of NO wants everyone disarmed and b) why the mayor wants everyone out of there. It's a simple land grab.

There are home owners there who will NOT leave their homes. They love their homes and want to keep them. That's great. That's what property is all about.

There are a lot of developers and business types who can see what's going to happen: there will be tens of billions of federal "rebuild NO" dollars. These developers know that if they can buy big chunks of the city, they will get huge grants and loans to rebuild them.

So this is how it goes: Disarm the residents (home owners) who really really don't want to leave. They leave. Their houses are bulldozed. Now they no longer have any reason to return so they sell their land at a cheap price. Some big developers buy the land, get huge Federal subsidies to build something on it, and then the developers end up renting it back to the people who used to live there.

It's a land grab, plain and simple. It's a way to turn working-class black homeowners into poverty-class black renters.

When you think of it that way, it's very obvious why these people do not want to leave, no matter what the risks are. They have finally achieved the ultimate goal: they are land owners. Since the beginning of civilization, owning land has been dividing line between the under-class and full "citizens". These blacks have crossed that line, and if their guns are taken, they will fall back a step, never to regain it in this lifetime.

If ever there's a time for the NAACP and the NRA to work together on an issue, this is it.

This has parallels in other parts of the world, too. You can be sure that the government of Zimbabwe first disarmed white farmers, and then took their land. I'm sure there are a hundred cases of this.
 
I've been thinking this all week. To the leadership (and I use that term very, very loosely) of New Orleans this hurricane was a God-send.

1) All the undesireables are out of the city. Mother nature has, if you'll pardon the expression, taken out their trash for them. Yes I realize not all evacuees are crackheads, rapists, murderers etc. but they got forced out along with all the rest. And I'm sure the local politicos are not crying over relocating all the welfare dependents.


2) Land grab. I'm not even sure they will have to play the emminent domain card. They can probably condemn the land or declare it uninhabitable and seize it for "public health" reasons or some other legal BS and not even have to pay a dime for it.


3) Forced evacs. No witnesses. How are you susposed to prove your home wasn't uninhabitable or destroyed before the bulldozers came calling.


4) Firearm confiscation =

Resident- "I have food, water, electricity and the means to defend my self and home. I'm not leaveing."

NO offcials- "You're not allowed to have guns. Give them up or we will arrest or shoot you. Ok thanks alot. Please feel free to stay now. And, by the way, hope you and your family don't get killed or raped because we won't be answering that silly 911 number."

Resident- "Well damn. Now what? Honey start loading the car!"

5) Rebuild everything bigger and better and just happen to build it too expensive for the low to middle class that were forced out to afford to come back.

I reckon it'll go one of two ways. Either a new Vegas-type set up or something akin to Beverly Hills.
 
Ya'll really think they are just kicking these people outta their houses, and are gonna bulldoze them? The people didn't even have a chance to get their personal belongings. I don't see that happening. And, if it does, I see big problems in New Orleans future. It's one thing to be kicked out, people will give in to that. People are not going to just get walked all over if their house gets bulldozed and they didn't have any say. At least I hope not.

And I don't understand why these people aren't hiding their guns when the PD comes a knocking. DUH! I can't imagine these people are really sweeping the house that well, and I'm sure the homeowner could hide some things if they really needed to. Especially in these mansions, they gotta be at least 5000 sq feet. The cops are not going to be able to search every nook and cranny.
 
NOLA becomes the socialist utopia? NOT

This moron Hizzoner has cleaned out the voters that put him in his position. If he thinks he will replace them with rich Democrats?

Rich people vote Republican.

Is he trying to put himself out of a job? Can he not see that he is history?

If this is all an eminent domain thing and NO turns into some kind of High property value, gated community, redeveloped, Vegas type Jazz Theme Park, it will fail.

Hey, I am like the rest of youse guys. I like to watch babes lift up their shirts, but, really, rich republican babes don't lift up their shirts. Get real.

New Orleans is history. Naigin did it. It was fun while it lasted.

I predict the city will not close, it's an important port, but it will be a shadow of it's former self.

Mardi Gras? Fergit it. :uhoh:
 
A possible sequence: First, use eminent domain to buy the low-lying areas of the Ninth Ward and the near-Ponchartrain vicinity. Raze the structures thereon. Build leveed compartments within these zones. Use dredged material (Lake Ponchartrain?) to fill to sea level or above. Sell this improved land to those private sector entities which would build commercial and industrial structures. For future storm protection, build new, higher-elevation levees.

This would definitely be a far better system as to protection from a recurrence of the damages from another Katrina-type storm.

New Orleans, being the most important city in the U.S., must be rebuilt, but it should not be rebuilt in the same vulnerable condition as in the past.

New Orleans provides the center of an infrastructure for the workforce of the lower Mississippi Basin that this country cannot do without. Simple as that. People get all excited about the French Quarter and Bourbon Street and Mardi Gras, but those have littlle to do with anything of importance to those whose livelihoods depend on the waterborne transportation. That includes industry around Chicago and grain farmers of the midwest...

Art
 
Is he trying to put himself out of a job? Can he not see that he is history?
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He may be too dumb to realize he's a dead political career walking; conversely, nobody cares what figureheads realize or don't realize.

New Orleans, being the most important city in the U.S., must be rebuilt...
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If that's the most important city, I'd sure hate to get stuck in the least.
 
Least???

If that's the most important city, I'd sure hate to get stuck in the least.
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Woof, I'd say there's more than a few THroaders who've discovered advantages to living somewhere "unimportant" There's Art, TallPine, me, when I can manage it and other's whom I apologize for not thinking of.

Seriously would you really wanna live somewhere "important" like DC, San Francisco, Chicago, NYC, Boston? <grin>
 
A large number of those buildings won't be worth saving, after having been submerged in water. The mold problem is going to be insurmountable...both inside and outside of the walls. Mold specialists are going to be in high demand, and there aren't many qualified mold experts around. Some mold strains are toxic... :eek:
 
Woof, you might do a bit of hunting around for info about the commercial/industrial activity of the Mississippi River, the Gulf Intracoastal Water Way, and the Port of New Orleans. Add in the oil activity of the Gulf rigs and the refineries and petrochemical plants in southern Louisiana. No other area in the US handles such a great amount of necessities, and New Orleans has always been the suport base for the labor force.

The industries around Chicago, the grain farmers of the entire Ohio, Missouri and Mississippi basins, the users of any petroleum products: All are dependent on the New Orleans-area activities. From the Alleghenies to the Rockies...

Art
 
I do believe Mr Eatman's analysis will be spot on, as will some others here.
Got to get rid of the toxics now found in every property that was swamped first. If I were in charge, I might then send the bill to the property owners for HazMat cleanup and when they do not or cannot pay the amount within a specified time, offer the property to ??? to pick up the tab. Multiply that times 40,000+.
Hmmm, that is some right valuable real estate, ready for development, isn't it? Said development will not be cheap, so expect some wealthy oil tycoon, and other robber barons to provide moola... and thus political $$$ as well.
Mayor Nagin, er, the former Mayor Nagin will be a good man to know and seek advice valuable to those who will rebuild N.O. soon. He might even end up a Republican if he makes enough money to decide it's worth conserving.

As for the gun grabs... Do you expect any politician to really stop this? This is all about the public employees safety... (wink wink wink) right?

In the South we respect every man's right to own a firearm... it's just that ya'll ain't supposed to be here right now, cause it's really dangerous down here... and now that you're unarmed, I'm sure you'll see things our way and leave, or else some real criminals might come to your house and, well... you see, you see?

The business of America is business. Either you're part of the solution, or you're part of the problem.

Both political parties are aware of this.
There will be jobs needed for construction, some union, most probably Mexican workers. Big need for engineers, financial & law firms, material suppliers, Building Dept Inspectors (now there's a job that'll be a good one to have for awhile) etc.

And the poor?

What poor?

Katrina took most of them out. One way or another.

Or was it outside LEO's, you know, somebody who's not from around here but does what they're told? Dang them all to HECK anyway... wink wink wink
 
Can't avoid admitting that N.O. is indeed an important port city. But its role as a tourist attraction was important in the local economy also.

At this point they'd as well not worry about trying to rebuild any more of it than necessary to house and support oilhands, dockworkers, etc. Because after all this has taken place no self- respecting American would ever drop a dime there.

Of course, there seems to be a shortage of self- respecting Americans too... much of the present company excepted.

lpl/nc
 
"If I were in charge, I might then send the bill to the property owners for HazMat cleanup and when they do not or cannot pay the amount within a specified time, offer the property to ??? to pick up the tab."

Since the toxic material wasn't the fault of the homeowners or the bars/hotels, etc., I don't see it as proper to bill them. And, after all, the problem wouldn't exist but for the failure of federally designed and built "flood protection" levees.

But forget NO for a moment, except as a part of the overall problem: Consider the totality of disposal of debris, from Mobile to west of New Orleans; from the Gulf shoreline to some 100 miles and more inland.

For all the rhetoric, it's gonna be a long time before anything of significance in "restoration" will begin. Look up the date of Ivan and realize that there are still areas in Florida that haven't been fully restored.

Art
 
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