Now is the time to push Congress

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I think this would be the time to keep the pressure up to get at minimum Ball ammo recognized for what it is, Ball, not AP. Wouldn't it be nice too if they were to repeal 1934, 1968 and more. After all the 2A only has it's original teeth with at minimum those two groups of laws gone, as unlikely as that is.
 
Agree. Now's the time to really take action. We either have momentum or it appears we have momentum. May as well use it. Everyone starts popping corks and thinking about a new F150 and maybe an Apple watch the ATF will ram through the proposed ruling and maybe some extra.
 
I could not agree more. Here is a duplicate of what I posted to the other thread; but it makes good sense here as well:

"Guys, we have won a single battle in a campaign; but we are a long ways from winning the campaign or the war. We need to press Congress to resolve this issue before ATF can revisit it. There are still some very disturbing claims that ATF has not relinquished:

1) M855 wasn't AP ammo by statute to begin with and ATF's "exemption" was a farce. ATF needs to explain how they arrived at that erroneous conclusion and Congress needs to describe to ATF why that conclusion was erroneous.

2) ATF used a great deal of leeway in interpreting phrases that Congress did not define. Congress needs to removes that ability from ATF by either removing the statutory authority or more strictly defining the terms ATF relied on for their failed power grab.

Right now, we have a lot of angry gun owners who are mobilized and mad. We need to capitalize on this. ATF realizes now that they made a big mistake. They ARE going to revisit this. When they do, they will have learned from this mistake. And they'll be hoping that gun owners have been lulled back to sleep. Instead of trying to wake everyone up, inform them, and spur them to action next time, we need to use the momentum we already have to pursue and destroy ATF while they are retreating."
 
And on the Activism note...

Here is H.R. 1180 that would severely restrict the ATF's ability to revisit this issue.

Right now, it has 13 Co-Sponsors plus the original sponsor, Rep. Thomas Rooney (R-FL).

Here is the Chairman Goodlatte letter signed by 239 Representatives in the House: (http://judiciary.house.gov/_cache/files/e745ea56-5280-4ecc-a91d-5f7239691c1f/030415-atf-letter.pdf)

Those 239 Representatives should be very sympathetic to our cause. Let's ask everyone of them that hasn't already sponsored HR1180 to get on board and help solve this problem before it becomes even greater.
 
Sheesh. Once, just once I'd like these show-boating buffoons to either fix or repeal a bad statute, instead of just stacking yet another euphemistically-named "Act" on top. Reading this statute, it's basically just setting up a conflict with the still-existing statute, which is technically unresolved until a court rules in favor of one or the other.

I don't know how you can logically pass a bill like this that essentially moots the entirety of the LEOPA language (at least, going forward), and yet leave the original law untouched on the books. Seems nonsensical to me.

I would rather they modify the section 1 and 2 subsections into a single sentence banning specific substances from all projectiles. In exchange for removing brass, copper, zinc, bronze, steel, iron, and their alloys from the current list (in light of their ubiquity in rifle ammunition, which cannot logically be separated from pistol ammunition) add a second sentence barring any material above a certain threshold of hardness (hardened steel, certain bronzes, certain aluminum and titanium alloys, and exotic alloys/composites not yet developed that would be hard enough to punch soft armor) from being included in a projectile. I guess toss in an exception for frangible projectiles, but "frangibility" is probably a dangerously subjective terminology.

List of exotic substances that aren't used outside of armor-piercing applications, and a hardness threshold that isn't met outside of armor-piercing applications. Short, simple, easy to legislate, easy to enforce fairly. Hard to abuse or litigate.

TCB
 
Let me also add that the comment period remains open until March 16th. If you have not yet commented on the ATF Proposed Framework, you should STILL comment.

There are various procedural ways that ATF could argue they are not required to give you notice or comment in the future, so we should treat this opportunity as though it may be the only chance we get to comment.
 
I'm afraid HR1180 missed the opportunity to be more passable by not reserving the prohibition of any ammunition to Congress so there was at least some mechanism to prohibit ammunition that first gets made for a carbine and then a pistol so the intent of LEOPA can be implemented.
 
Thank you for the link to the bill Mr. Roberts. I've emailed my representative and asked him to support it. I'll admit that the bill may have some problems but with the bills having to go through one chamber and then the other, there is a chance some things may be ironed out.
 
Bartholomew Roberts said:
HR1180 has several flaws; but it does seem to be gaining steam and now has 40 cosponsors.
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Will it get 60 votes in the Senate? Will the President sign it? If not, there is no point. Both chambers of Congress spend way too much time on bills that they know have no chance of becoming law.
 
Will it get 60 votes in the Senate? Will the President sign it? If not, there is no point. Both chambers of Congress spend way too much time on bills that they know have no chance of becoming law.
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Actually, hearing from gun owners in support of pro-gun bills *is* helpful even if the bill doesn't pass this year. If we are silent, we cede the field to the less numerous but very well funded advocates who wish to push the debate in the other direction and ban .223 FMJ, or whatever else is the bogeyman du jour. And even if the no-ammo-bans bill falls just short of a majority, it shows various executive-agency administrator(s) who wrote the ban-.223 "framework" a few months ago that such moves are highly controversial and likely to be bad for one's career.

In other threads you've encouraged gun owners to write our representatives to support universal gun registration (!); since thwarting ammo bans is far more germane to the 2ndA, I think it is far more important to encourage our reps in that regard....particularly since a sweeping ban on popular non-AP rifle ammo was proposed just a few months ago, and was only withdrawn "for now" after a huge national backlash.
 
benEzra said:
In other threads you've encouraged gun owners to write our representatives to support universal gun registration (!); since thwarting ammo bans is far more germane to the 2ndA, I think it is far more important to encourage our reps in that regard....particularly since a sweeping ban on popular non-AP rifle ammo was proposed just a few months ago, and was only withdrawn "for now" after a huge national backlash.
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I advocated citizens of Oregon to contact their representatives on a bill that had a good chance of (and did) pass. Oregon has a mostly functioning legislature that actually gets things done.

Washington DC is a different story. They jump from self-manufactured crisis to self-manufactured crisis. First things first, work on passing a budget, then they can piddle away time of bills that have no chance of passing.
 
Why don't you just put "gun-control apologist" in your sig, JSH1? It will save us having to point out every instance of your support for more gun control, though since I've yet to see gun control you didn't like I suppose that is a moot point.
 
First things first, work on passing a budget, then they can piddle away time of bills that have no chance of passing
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Since our only relevant topic is 2A anything else Congress may or may not do is offtopic.
 
Congress is inept and impotent, their existence is merely a façade anymore
 
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