Ny: Pols Up In Arms Over Bodega Man's Gun Plight

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POLS UP IN ARMS OVER BODEGA MAN'S GUN PLIGHT

By DOUGLAS MONTERO
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May 31, 2003 -- A GROUP of city and state lawmakers rallied yesterday to defend the Harlem bodega worker who used an illegal gun to blow away a robber.
Even Mayor Bloomberg seemed sympathetic to the plight of José Acosta, 69, who shot and killed one of three stickup men Sunday during a botched robbery.

"The situation is tragic," Bloomberg said.

"Mr. Acosta has been living in this country 25 years, built a life here and was trying to protect his business. Unfortunately, justice can be unforgiving."

But some lawmakers believe Acosta did the right thing.

"He should be freed and allowed to be free because he had a right to protect himself - that's the American way," said City Councilman Larry Seabrook.

Joel Rivera, the City Council majority leader, said he plans to call the Manhattan DA's office and ask for leniency for Acosta, a legal U.S. resident who faces deportation if he's convicted of any gun charge.



The support for the Harlem worker comes as lawmakers and merchants advocates demanded that the city establish a task force to combat what they describe as a "reign of terror" against small mom-and-pop shopkeepers.

"If the stores on Main Street aren't safe, then Main Street is not safe and the neighborhood is not safe," said Richard Lipsky, who represents about 15,000 of the city's supermarkets, greengrocers and restaurants.

The list of demands include panic buttons directly linked to police precincts, police training for merchants and a halt to the "harassment" of shopkeepers who are being inundated with tickets for minor infractions - like having too many letters on an awning.

José Fernandez, the president of the Bodega Association of the U.S., said whatever money the merchants have after taxes and fines is being picked off by the thugs.

"The bodega is a double victim," he said.

The advocates and lawmakers are also asking for the NYPD to streamline the gun-permit process that would allow merchants to legally arm themselves.
 
Only the last sentence makes any sense. "Panic Buttons" etc. are like burglar alarms. They`re so commonplace they`re almost ignored. Then, if the precinct is busy, and you haven`t lived until Central is holding 50,60-100 jobs on a hot Saturday night, you might as well panic button the mortuary. :(

The old Stakeout Squad was effective, do a search for Jim Cirillo if you`re interested, but was disbanded because they were killing too many disaffected youts.:barf:
 
No, this case is NOT "Goetz revisited", from a PR point of view.

1) This was a case of small business defense rather than "street carry".

2) While the idiots that attacked Goetz were indeed a lethal threat (screwdrivers), the guys who attacked Alcosta were armed with guns. The legitimacy of Alcosta's gunplay is unquestioned.

3) Alcosta is 69 years old, no priors, a business owner and Hispanic.

Upshot: the NY gun licencing system is in *trouble*.

Now all we have to do is get one of those "concerned politicians" to compare the Latino business license owner rate with the premise gun permit and carry gun permit rates. That will give a baseline for racial discrimination in gun permit (premise and carry) issuance. Combine *that* with the recent scandal where NYC carry permits were sold to rock stars in exchange for limo rides, backstage passes and concert tickets and you've got a REAL wild ride.

Sarah Brady's worst nightmare, is what it is.
 
Now all we have to do

Which of the gun rights groups is jumping into the fray, publicizing this, organizing marches in support of this gentleman and in support of changing NY law?

Oh- none?:rolleyes:
 
The advocates and lawmakers are also asking for the NYPD to streamline the gun-permit process that would allow merchants to legally arm themselves.

Takes all of ten minutes in Colorado: if you're the business owner, you can legally carry openly or concealed, as well as authorize your employees to do so. The ten minutes is for the state to do a background check when you buy a gun.

New York needs to grow up.
 
GIVE GUNS TO GOOD GUYS, NOT JUST CRIMINALS


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June 3, 2003 -- The case of the Harlem bodega worker who was arrested recently for defending himself against an armed robber perfectly illustrates the illogic of liberal justice ("Feeling Lucky, Perp?" Editorial, May 29). Was it better that he should become a victim rather than harm a violent assailant?
This tragic incident, which the criminal-justice system is turning into classic irony, reminds us of the truth of the old adage: Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.
Jim Silberman
Manhattan




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I can get a full carry permit for a handgun in any county that is good anywhere in the state of Michigan, and I cannot be denied unless I am insane or a felon - and the state has the burden to prove those two items.

Crime has not gone up since this law was enacted, and the streets are not the Wild West that was predicted when the law was passed. And downtown Detroit is enjoying a boom in visitors from the suburbs now that we are locked and loaded for visits.
Ron Yates
Shelby Twp., Mich.






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I think the people who defended themselves should get at least an honorable mention and be made to attend handgun classes. A judge who convicts them should be disbarred, or publicly displayed in stocks.

It is indeed sad what has happened to common sense when a judge cannot tell the difference between the good and bad guys.
Douglas Ossentjuk
Montgomery




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Anti-gun liberals completely distort the argument for self-defense by wrongfully implying that new registered gun owners "put more guns on the street."

The gun in the home stays there for protection. It is not "on the street."
Dave G. Becher
East Northport




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I wonder if New York will ever get its act together regarding the 2nd Amendment and the right of individuals to protect themselves.

The only people who have guns are the criminals, and I guarantee they will not obey the law.

But New York wants to make a criminal of everyone who has a gun for his personal protection.
Bill Gould
Fruit Heights, Utah
 
"He should be freed and allowed to be free because he had a right to protect himself - that's the American way," said City Councilman Larry Seabrook.

What he said.

(I thought the citizens of NY didn't elect folks with opinions along these lines.)
 
Kinda sounds like merry old England a bit, doesn't it. When the law starts putting innocent people in jeopardy, fix the f-ing law. If Bloomberg wants to keep NY from slipping back into the lawless chaos of the pre-Giuliani days, he'd better get behind some CCW reform and fast.

Oh wait, that'll never happen. Adios NYC. Again.

- Gabe
 
This has nothing to do with gun rights - it is about getting the votes of a certain ethnic group.
 
While the idiots that attacked Goetz were indeed a lethal threat (screwdrivers), the guys who attacked Alcosta were armed with guns. The legitimacy of Alcosta's gunplay is unquestioned.
As was Goetz's. sar has this right - this is all about placating the voters in Harlem. If the Goetz situation was repeated today, I have no doubt these same pro-SD politicians would be screaming for his head. Racial politicizing is an art form in most large cities, and especially in NY.
 
Living in NYC I know for a fact that if shot someone breaking into my apartment who had a different backround from my own (even with a legal gun) I would be sacrificed by the politicians in a second.
 
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