Ohio: "Concealed weapons bill back, with court ruling pending"

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Concealed weapons bill back, with court ruling pending

Wednesday, February 26, 2003
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — A bill that would allow Ohioans to carry concealed weapons is back before state lawmakers for a fifth straight legislative session, but this time there’s a more compelling reason to pass it, its sponsor says.

The bill is being debated while an Ohio Supreme Court ruling is pending on whether Ohio’s ban on hidden guns is constitutional.

The 1st Ohio District Court of Appeals ruled in April that the ban unconstitutionally hampered Ohioans’ right to defend themselves. This month, a judge in Seneca County issued a similar ruling. The Ohio Supreme Court has scheduled oral arguments in the case on April 15.

The bill’s sponsor, Rep. Jim Aslanides, a Coshocton Republican, said that unless lawmakers approve a version of his proposal, Ohio will have no restrictions on carrying concealed weapons if the court upholds the two rulings.

“That’s the reason we have to address this issue,†Aslanides told the House Criminal Justice Committee on Tuesday. “It’s our duty.â€

The bill is similar to a measure Aslanides proposed in the last legislative session. The House passed that bill but the Senate changed it. The House did not go along with the Senate changes, saying they were too restrictive. The bill has been around in some form since 1995.

The new bill contains several provisions of the Senate version. It would require written and physical safety training courses for people who apply for concealed weapons licenses. Permitholders also would be required to inform law enforcement officers if they were armed while being questioned by officers.

Under questioning by Rep. Tim Grendell, a Chesterland Republican, Aslanides said the bill requires 12 hours of training.

“That’s six more hours than I got in the Army when they let me carry an M-16,†Grendell said.

Gun-control groups argue public safety is threatened by allowing concealed weapons. But Aslanides noted that five states bordering Ohio have conceal-carry laws “and no reports of widespread violence.â€

“I feel very strongly about this,†Aslanides said. “Everyone has the right to defend themselves whether they are 21 or 91.â€

The new bill has the support of the National Rifle Association and the Buckeye State Sheriffs Association, but is opposed by the Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police and the State Highway Patrol.

Gov Bob Taft has said he will not support the bill as long as those two groups remain opposed to it.

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Everybody!! This is my local paper, and the one thing they've got going is you can post comments (no registration required) to the articles..and they are usually good about letting all viewpoints in.

So, go forth and comment!


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Well, the Highway Patrol organization just got a rather large increase in their budget..from Gov. Shaft...obvious payback for having them do his dirty work.

The idiot can't think for himself, any politician who says "if so and so backs it, I'll back it" is a mindless puppet.
 
“That’s the reason we have to address this issue,†Aslanides told the House Criminal Justice Committee on Tuesday. “It’s our duty.â€

I could reply with "it is your duty to do nothing and let the OSC ruling stand as it is." Vermont carry for everyone!!

However, this is in direct conflict with my views on felons having guns and training requirements :confused:

Braindead,

I read in Monday's Plain Dealer (page three of Metro Section) that HB 12 was being heard yesterday. I have not seen anything else about it, have you?

Thanks for the update,

ehenz
 
ehenz: Nothing new here really... If you didn't notice the info in the state forum.. the OSC scheduled briefs on the big challenge..april 15th (funny day?)
 
ehenz - How does Vermont-style CCW allow felons to have guns?:confused: Also, what if in the future the training requirement (the only subjective part of a shall-issue law) was amended to be a Brady Bunch or VPC approved course rather than an NRA-type course?
 
Henry,

How does Vermont-style CCW allow felons to have guns?

I'm not sure if that is the case or not, thats why I added the "confused".

My point was that if the legislation goes nowhere, and the OSC upholds the current ruling, then there will be no requirements for CCW other that the 2nd Admen. Which is what I understand to be what a lot of us (not me) want.

what if in the future the training requirement (the only subjective part of a shall-issue law) was amended to be a Brady Bunch or VPC approved course rather than an NRA-type course?

Training is training my friend, I don't really care who provides or approves it as long as it is comprehensive enough to educate the now gun-ignorant masses on firearm safety (Let us not forget that after years of opposistion and deminished rights that there are generations of people who have never even seen a real gun. Those are the folks I'm worried about). Everyone could benefit from it. I can't really discuss more until I get a look at what a VPC course consist of.

If you didn't notice the info in the state forum.. the OSC scheduled briefs on the big challenge..april 15th (funny day?)

I would suspect less press coverage. Politcally speaking, what judge would want to be envolved in this decision (we all know how it is going in our favor).
 
what if in the future the training requirement (the only subjective part of a shall-issue law) was amended to be a Brady Bunch or VPC approved course rather than an NRA-type course?

It would get scuttled. The VPC/Brady Bunch would simply make the requirements/training so difficult (1-week training, $5000, must be able to but 6-rds COM of standard target at 50yds in 6-seconds or less).
 
Letter to the editor sent.



Ohio born and raised. Former Canton resident. 1983 graduate of the Stark County Paramedic Program.
 
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