Old gun information requests!

[GunnySkox]

Hi, everybody,

A friend of my dad's loaned us a bunch of firearms from his late grandfather's collection, so we could take a look at them and fondle them and such (my dad has awesome coworkers ), and I was wondering if I could get some more information about them. The firearms are as follows:

M1903: straight stock, receiver marked "US REMINGTON MODEL 1903
S/N: 30349XX

K98k: Marked with a "dot" according to Dad, followed by "1944" behind the rear sight and on the top of the receiver. When I looked at it, I distinctly remember seeing one of those itty-bitty eagles on the receiver, which may or mayn't be the "dot" my dad's talking about.
S/N 683XX

A percussion-cap double rifle, with only one hammer and two triggers. In theory, the barrels are supposed to revolve, but it's so old that the latch to turn them is rusted frozen.
Barrel: "Huler Liverpool"
Buttplate: "H ELWELL WARRANTE"

Winchester Model 1894
S/N: 8539XX

I'd appreciate any kind of manufacturing date information, issuing information, etc. that y'all can give me.

Thanks in advance!
~GnSx

 

[joab]

Winchester
The year of manufacture for serial number 853900 is 1919.


1903
The year of manufacture for serial number 3034900 is 1941.

K98 info page
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/uniforms_firearms/firearms/98k/k98index.htm
Look towards the middle of this page.
Did your dad say it was marked with a dot or with the word dot

 

[ball3006]

The Remington 1903 was manufactured....

around the 1941/1943 time frame. The month and year it was made would be stamped right behind the front sight. If the date falls in this time frame, it is the original barrel. The 1903 evolved into the 1093A3......The 1894 Winchester would have been made in the early 1930s. I have one that was 1.1 mil serial number and was made around 1935.....The Mauser was made in 1944. That is all I know of it........chris3

 

[Jim K]

During WWII, Germany used codes to indicate the makers of its weapons. "dot" on the K.98k, indicates manufacture by Waffenwerke Brünn (the German name for the famous Brno factory). Quality at Brno was pretty good even as late as 1944.

On the percussion rifle, Elwell was a maker of gun locks, in Seneca County, Ohio. (The last word should read "WARRANTED".) My source says he worked from 1810 to 1812, but that can't be correct, as I have seen H. Elwell marked percussion locks which could not have been made that early. I think a closer date would be 1850, unless there was another H. Elwell. There is no Liverpool* in Ohio today, though there is an East Liverpool; one source indicates that there once was a town of Liverpool, but that it no longer exists. There is a Liverpool in PA (some wag once said there is an everything in PA). Some information indicates Elwell sold his locks to or through J&D Little in Pittsburgh. Little was the "Brownells" of the mid-19th century, supplying small gunsmiths with, literally "lock, stock and barrel" as well as gun furniture, tools and the like. So if Huler was the maker, he (and Liverpool) could have been almost anywhere in the eastern part of the country.

I would try, VERY carefully, to free up that turning barrel rifle; they are uncommon and highly desirable collectors pieces. A picture would definitely help, plus any markings on the barrel(s). I like a product called G96 Gun Treatment for freeing up rusted areas. BUT, again, be VERY, VERY careful. We could be talking thousands of dollars here.

*Liverpool, England, is unlikely, as no English maker would buy American locks, considering them very inferior to English locks, and turnover rifles were very uncommon in England.

Jim