+P ammo for Elite Match

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I picked up my new Elite Match on Monday and just yesterday got to shoot it. I haven't had a chance to really put it through all of it's paces yet, but I've got a question.

On the cover of the manual it states: "DO NOT USE +P Ammo or High Velocity High Pressure Ammunition (factory or hand-loaded)"

Is this just Tanfoglio covering their butts on the liability/warranty issue? or is there a serious risk of something going kaboom if I were to use +P stuff? I realize there's generally a greater risk of kaboom with more pressure, I just want to know if this gun can handle it. It's chambered for .45 acp. I just want to be able to say "nyah" if a 9mm buff is bragging about his velocity....nothing against the 9, just want to fully utilize the .45.
 
Uh, it's a match gun, I have found the Elite Match guns have lighter recoil springs than what I'd consider standard. For example, the 9mm Elite Match has a 14lb recoil spring from the factory. I upgrade the recoil springs in my Elilte Match pistols. I have gone from the 14lb factory in the 9mm up to 17lb with no problems at all.
I believe the CZ SP-01 comes standard with a 20lb recoil spring as a comparison.

Also, there is a thread here about an FN Five seveN that was shot with reloads contrary to what the manual says. Take a look at what happened there.
 
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On the cover of the manual it states: "DO NOT USE +P Ammo or High Velocity High Pressure Ammunition (factory or hand-loaded)"
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EAA has always been really quirky about "hot" ammo. Many times they blame any sort of breakage or malfunction on "hot" ammo regardless of what you tell them and what you were shooting. I've had them give me this line twice. One time was for a 10mm that I was shooting ammo that was probably below even 40S&W pressure specs.

It doesn't surprise me that they'd put that in the manual regardless of what the gun is capable of.

+P 9mm is not very hot. It's arguably what 9x19 should be loaded to anyways.

+P on the stock springs won't hurt that gun. If you have any issues and need warranty service (god help you), but do not mention you were shooting +P.

I believe the CZ SP-01 comes standard with a 20lb recoil spring as a comparison.
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The SP 01 spring is too heavy.
 
Yeah well

Also, there is a thread here about an FN Five seveN that was shot with reloads contrary to what the manual says. Take a look at what happened there.
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That isn't a good example. I would say most guns say somewhere in the manual not to shoot reloads through them. It's a C.Y.A. type of deal.

The 5.7 has a number issues. It doesn't have a lockup per say. It's more of a straight blow back than anything. Bullet weights become much more critical. The 9mm has a long history of reloading and is well sorted out by niow. It's a well behaved cartridge.
 
hags has it right,it is a match gun SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to shoot standard pressure ammo.You probably wouldn't shoot +P in an IPSC or IDPA match,due to recoil issues in regards to repeat shots and accuracy.With the stock springs and +P ammo you'd probably batter your frame in a very few hundred rounds,which you also probably would find not desireable.If you're determined to wring all the bullet speed you can out of it,then changing the springs is probably the best bet...That said,I still plan on getting a 357sig barrel for my 40 Elite Match...someday...;)
 
....my question was regarding +P on the .45 acp, not the 9, and I won't be hand loading, not any time soon anyway.
 
....my question was regarding +P on the .45 acp, not the 9, and I won't be hand loading, not any time soon anyway.
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The information is relevant for all Elite Match grade pistols, whatever caliber they're in .
As stated I merely used the 9mm as an example.
 
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Also, there is a thread here about an FN Five seveN that was shot with reloads contrary to what the manual says. Take a look at what happened there.

That isn't a good example. I would say most guns say somewhere in the manual not to shoot reloads through them. It's a C.Y.A. type of deal.
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I'd say it's a perfect example of people reading the manufacturer's owner manual for a particular firearm and then disregarding it.

My point was that failure to follow simple directions such as "No reloads" or " No +P ammo" can result in predictably bad consequences.
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hags has it right,it is a match gun SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to shoot standard pressure ammo.You probably wouldn't shoot +P in an IPSC or IDPA match,due to recoil issues in regards to repeat shots and accuracy.With the stock springs and +P ammo you'd probably batter your frame in a very few hundred rounds,which you also probably would find not desireable.If you're determined to wring all the bullet speed you can out of it,then changing the springs is probably the best bet...That said,I still plan on getting a 357sig barrel for my 40 Elite Match...someday...
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Thank you! I sometimes do know what I'm talking about.
 
Sure, no problem. They are great guns.
I would recommend however that if you're not shooting low(er) powered match grade ammo that you up the recoil spring rating a coupla pounds or so.
 
I have the elite match in 45acp, super accurate, recoil is similar to the 9mm
due to weight in my opinion, I will not use +p in it however I purchased as
a target gun and in truth I do not find the need for +p ammo my feeling is
and not being a smart a@@ here but need a bigger gun buy a larger caliber,
for serious work think 12gauge.:D
 
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