PA Alert: Restrictive Bill seeks to ban ALL firearms with magazines.

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Dozens of pistols line the shelves of the glass display cases at Shooters Place in Fallston these days.

If state House of Representatives Bill 2451 becomes law, owner Bob Bernhardy fears legal weapons such as pistols and hunting rifles would be outlawed.

"This would shut me down," Bernhardy said Thursday. "Sixty to 70 percent of my business would be taken away."

The state bill, sponsored by 23 legislators, including state Rep. Dan Frankel, D-23, Pittsburgh, would ban "any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump-action rifle that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine," and includes other restrictions.


Bernhardy said the language means that, for example, the Remington 760s that hunters normally use would be banned from use in Pennsylvania.

Frankel said he co-sponsored the bill because the federal Assault Weapons Act of 1994 is set to expire on Sept. 13. For nearly 10 years, that act has outlawed 19 assault weapons, including AK-47 assault rifles.

Frankel said it's looking less and less likely that Congress would renew the law for President Bush's approval before the deadline. Frankel said the bill is stronger than the federal ban and closes some loopholes.

However, Frankel said: "I have no intention of taking any weapons from hunters and people who believe they have to protect themselves in their homes."

He added that seven other states, including California and Maryland, already have instituted their own bans.

"(The bill) would make Pennsylvania more restrictive than California or New Jersey," Bernhardy said.

Gun owners interviewed by The Times on Thursday see the bill as an attempt to squelch the rights of law-abiding citizens who use guns legally.

"Just because you use a gun, it doesn't make you a terrorist," said Lee Hostetter Jr. of Enon Valley. "They're always trying to take guns off us, and we don't do anything wrong."

"Any little thing they would ban, it would just keep going," said Barry Wolfe of Ohioville.

Brendan Schmuck of Patterson Township said people would likely find a way around the new laws.

"You don't think criminals go through background checks, do you?" Schmuck said.

There does seem to be some confusion within the bill.

Bernhardy and others in his store on Thursday pointed to language that requires the owner of a semiautomatic weapon to undergo a background check every year and give state police the right to go into a home whenever they wanted.

Not so, Frankel said. He only wants background checks performed when someone transfers ownership of a firearm to someone else. He also said he believes there's enough leeway in it so that law-abiding citizens won't be affected.

"In my view, this is not about sport," Frankel said.

Rochester police officer Sam Piccinini said there are already enough gun laws on the books to cover "every possible gun infraction that you can think of." The more laws on the books, he added, the more difficult it is for police and prosecutors to figure out which laws apply and which don't.

"(Legislators) keep hammering on an issue they're not going to fix," Piccinini said. "If someone intends to commit a crime, they don't care if they're breaking the law in the first place."

Bill Vidonic can be reached online at [email protected].

©Beaver County Times/Allegheny Times 2004
 
My letter on this

Here is the text of a letter I sent to my PA state rep, Kate Harper. Feel free to cut & paste if you like it.

<snip>

I am writing to express my strong opposition to H.B. 2451, introduced by Representative Frankel, et al., which would enact an assault weapons ban (AWB) in Pennsylvania.

Gun control has never been a solution to crime. Focusing on inanimate objects instead of on criminal conduct can never reduce crime. This position is borne out by the fact that the Federal AWB of 1994 has not been proven to have any effect on crime. Moreover, even Tom Diaz of the Violence Policy Center, a leading gun control advocacy group, has been quoted recently as saying that the AWB was mostly symbolic in nature and that its expected sunset will have little to no effect on crime rates.

The registration scheme proposed in this bill is especially perfidious. Gun control proponents have repeatedly advanced the idea that registering firearms ownership by law-abiding citizens – remember, these are the folks who don't commit crimes -- will somehow have an impact on crime. It never has. However, time and again, registration lists have been used to facilitate confiscation. It happened in Germany before World War II, it happened in New York City, and there's no reason to believe that it can't happen in Pennsylvania. This is not acceptable.

Aside from the lack of impact on crime and the serious potential for abuse, this bill is overly broad, has as unconstitutionally vague language, and clearly runs afoul of Article I, Section 21 of the Pennsylvania Constitution: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and the state shall not be questioned.â€

I hope that you will oppose this bill and use your position on the Judiciary Committee to kill it. Pennsylvania's gun owners have been looking forward to the expiration of the odious Federal AWB. Don't disappoint them by allowing a state level replacement to further encroach upon their rights.

</snip>
 
I'm amazed that the parting shot in the article was pro-gun, and that they got a LEO to give it. Whoever Rochester police officer Sam Piccinini is, I want him to run for chief of police..nay, governor!
 
What is the makeup up of the PA legislature?? Here in WI both houses are solidly in control of the Republican’s hopefully we not only keep the majority this Nov we strengthen it. I hope you have the numbers to keep this kind of lunacy from becoming law!!! This show how important state politics can be. Every little fight helps.
 
<sarcasm on>

but...but...the fellas at the deer camp said they would "never" come after the "hunters". I even heard them thar fella's that shoot ducks , or them thar trap and skeet fellers say the same thing. I mean a gun that is evil and black well them the "bad guns" and all...assault type. Not us hunters, I guess going after duck is huntin'...or even them fancy folks with shooting irons hitting orange birds you can't even eat. Nosiree...wasn't supposed to be like that when we agreed them "other guns" with more ammo capacity not needed...ya'll said...yep you did...my dog heard ya...Heck I too busy hunting to keep with news, voting interferes with scouting tracks, I need money for beer, ammo and girls at the girlie shows to make a donation to any folks trying to keep stuff red, white and blue...

<sarcasm off>
 
sm, continuing

Aw sm, don't worry about dat dern law. You caint pull dat tube of'n yo duck gun, an I been tellin you for years dat you don't need dat der brownin gun to hunt dyeer with. Dern ass-alt guns like yo ole brownin is inakerat anyway. Git you a good bolt gun an you can still bag yo limit.
 
The state bill, sponsored by 23 legislators, including state Rep. Dan Frankel, D-23, Pittsburgh, would ban "any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump-action rifle that is capable of accepting a detachable magazine," and includes other restrictions.

Good, it's about time we got those Browning Buckmarks off the streets. We all know they are the "weapons of choice" for criminals. And these newfangled "assault handguns" like the 1911 -- for Pete's sake, the thing was designed for the military! Who on Earth needs a gun designed for the military!
 
That's even wackier than California. You'd have to weld the mag in and load it with stripper clips.
 
However, Frankel said: "I have no intention of taking any weapons from hunters and people who believe they have to protect themselves in their homes.

He added that seven other states, including California and Maryland, already have instituted their own bans.

"(The bill) would make Pennsylvania more restrictive than California or New Jersey," Bernhardy said.

Pennsylvania Constitution
Article I, Section 21
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of
themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

California - no RKBA

Maryland - no RKBA

I don't see PA free to pass such a law. He seems to be missing the check on the State Constitution. They don't have the jurisdictional claim that the Feds have, so that is not a proper precedent to follow. Even it is bogus of course. This is really lame.

I was born in rural PA and know some folks who will really be "up in arms" about this.;)
 
Couple of points:

1-If this bill became law, would all the cops in PA have to go back to revolvers? Because they all carry magazine fed semi-auto pistols (or at least most of them do)

2-This would ban just about every semi-auto rifle and pistol around. The exceptions I can think of off the top of my head are the M1 Garand, SKS, most variants of the FN-49, and the broomhandle Mauser. All of which are evil military weapons.
 
Throw us a line....we are sinking....

From a firearms laws point of view, PA is still an absolute oasis when compared to the egregious regulations that burden the residents of New York, New Jersey, and Maryland. [Ohio narrowly escaped inclusion in this real Axis of Evil with the recent passage of statewide CCW.]

However, our status as a refuge for gunowners is threatened by the introduction of a few House Bills that seek to literally disarm us completely. Read the contents of the bills, friends, and you'll see that I am not exaggerating.

House Bill 2451: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2003/0/HB2451P3471.HTM
House Bill 1791: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2003/0/HB1791P2321.HTM

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TM
 
I think the odds of these bills passing in PA are about as good as an ice cube chance in hell. Still, it would be nice to see things get mixed up a little bit in pro gun states just so they can feel our pain! Still, that ain't going to happen.
 
----going to bathroom to puke---

ok, I'm back. now I'm off to write some letters. my roommate here at school regularly goes to harrisburg to lobby. too bad he's more into the "we need money for education" the RKBA. I'm workin on him though.
 
Frankel is also a LIAR.

"He added that seven other states, including California and Maryland, already have instituted their own bans."

We killed the pending AWB bill here in Maryland....it never made it out of commitee.


Now, we DO have an Assault PISTOL ban (Tec-9's, and evil little things like that....which has been on the books for years and years....
 
letter

below is my letter to my local Rep. oh, I LOVE sarcasm by the way.

This letter is in regards to House Bill 2451 (referred to Committee on Judiciary, March 17 2004).

I have never written to any member of the legislative body before, either State or Federal, as I have thought the effort not warranted my time or I have had faith in that the representatives from my area would do what for me I would consider "the right thing". On this matter however, one that I feel strongly about, I wanted to take a few moments so that you would know at least how some of your constituents felt.

I sincerely hope that you will do whatever is in your power to defeat this piece of legislation should you have the opportunity. While the citizens of New Jersey and California may feel that they no longer possess the mental capability to think for themselves, I assure you that the men and women of Pennsylvania do not need such "babysitting" legislation forced upon us. It is my strongest fear that the courts of this Commonwealth would trample what little remaining liberties we still share since 9/11 as an appeal to "protect us from ourselves" if Bill 2451 is passed. While the Democratic ninnies in this Commonwealth have continually showed us that they will continue to do what popular opinion shows them to get re-elected, it is my hope you will not allow them to ram such reckless and ill-conceived laws down our throats.

I have noticed that the sponsors of this Bill all hail from Philadelphia and surrounding counties (except for the token Democrat from Bucks County), and I do sympathize with the crime and general malcontent in the greater "Filthy-delphia" region. However, why should the rest of the law-abiding citizens in the Commonwealth be subjugated by such draconian measures because of one area? Which is why I further ask you to not only help the defeat of this Bill but to also put forth a vote to force Philadelphia to become a separate State from the Commonwealth. Not only would Pennsylvania rid itself of a huge tax-money consuming burden, but our crime rates would immediately drop, education rate would improve and we could finally rid ourselves of the usual gang of idiots that seem to populate the elected officials from that area.

Doing what is right may not always be popular, but that does not make it any less right.

Thank you for your time in this matter, I appreciate you taking the time to hear my opinion.
 
You folks trying to play leapfrog with Kali and Maryland?

Even though it's far enough out there it shouldn't pass, watch out for the "compromise":barf: , I'm sure it's coming.

Don't give in,
Don't give up,
Don't give an inch!!!!!!

Keep us posted. :banghead:

MIKE_IN_PA, welcome aboard!!!!
 
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