Silvertip i think is hungarian LPS steel core, yellow i think is hungarian lead core heavy ball and the plain round is i know Chinese light ball, any body ever tested any of this stuff? I have a polish wz44 (polish m44) and i know some of the 7.62x54r rounds has caused sticky bolt badly but i dont know which ones
Picked up some 7.62x54r, opinions about it?
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22250Rem
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I've got a decent 91/30 and have been playing around with and testing some different 7.62x54R ammo over the past couple years; but it's only one of many projects I've got going so I haven't got too much done with it yet but here's some of what I've got so far:
The silver tip mil-surp stuff shoots pretty good in the 91/30 and chronographs at an average 2887 fps.. A year or two ago I picked up some mil-surp 182 gr. FMJ match ammo that shot real well and averaged 2551 fps with only about 26 fps extreme spread. Prvi Partizan 150 gr. SP is real nice in my gun and averages 2797 fps and is loaded in nice, boxer primed brass that I'm using to develop a nice 7.62x54R handload, (still workin' on that handload). Have never had any sticky bolt problems or any other such stuff (not yet anyway). Some day I'd like to pop a deer with the Mosin just because and if I don't have a satisfactory handload by then I'd use that Prvi 150 gr. SP in a heartbeat. It's also non-corrosive as opposed to the corrosive mil-surp stuff;... I trust you're cleaning the bore real good after firing the mil-surp. My mil-surp stuff has been pretty good quality-wise and no big variations in velocity when chronographing it. But I've heard of guys getting stuff where the velocity was all over the place which means that some of it might be loaded too hot and some not hot enough or it could have been improperly stored for years. I'd bet that if you tried some good quality commercial ammo like the Prvi 150 gr. load then you wouldn't have any problems. Then you could blame it on the mil-surp ammo.
The silver tip mil-surp stuff shoots pretty good in the 91/30 and chronographs at an average 2887 fps.. A year or two ago I picked up some mil-surp 182 gr. FMJ match ammo that shot real well and averaged 2551 fps with only about 26 fps extreme spread. Prvi Partizan 150 gr. SP is real nice in my gun and averages 2797 fps and is loaded in nice, boxer primed brass that I'm using to develop a nice 7.62x54R handload, (still workin' on that handload). Have never had any sticky bolt problems or any other such stuff (not yet anyway). Some day I'd like to pop a deer with the Mosin just because and if I don't have a satisfactory handload by then I'd use that Prvi 150 gr. SP in a heartbeat. It's also non-corrosive as opposed to the corrosive mil-surp stuff;... I trust you're cleaning the bore real good after firing the mil-surp. My mil-surp stuff has been pretty good quality-wise and no big variations in velocity when chronographing it. But I've heard of guys getting stuff where the velocity was all over the place which means that some of it might be loaded too hot and some not hot enough or it could have been improperly stored for years. I'd bet that if you tried some good quality commercial ammo like the Prvi 150 gr. load then you wouldn't have any problems. Then you could blame it on the mil-surp ammo.
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I have a spam can of the yellow tip heavy ball. I don't know about accuracy - it doesn't shoot too well, but my rifle wasn't very accurate with factory ammo either. In my M44 it kicks like a mule, throws a big fireball, and blows the hell out of water-filled milk jugs. For what I shoot a Mosin for, it's all I need.
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illinoisburt
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Check out http://7.62x54r.net/ for info on identifying different loads. Lots of other good mosin related info. Seems like most times the sticky bolt is more related to residual gunk in the chamber. Soaking the barreled action in a tub of mineral spirits for an hour or so does a wonderful job of getting all the crud out.
There are some who say that lacquer coated steel cases (like your Hungarian? light ball) may cause sticky bolt.
I usually buy the copper-washed stuff, just to be on the safe side, but I wouldn't hesitate shooting ammo with lacquer coated cases if I had some.
As 22250Rem already pointed out, all surplus ammo should be treated as corrosive. Make sure to clean your bore (and breech face) accordingly, right after shooting. I use boiling, soapy water as well as a special East German gun oil.
There doesn't seem to be a consensus on which ammo is best for the Mosin. Some rifles seem to prefer light ball, others heavy ball.
If you want some good, non-corrosive factory ammo, I recommend S&B 180gr FMJ. In my 91/30, it shoots better than Wolf/Tulammo and even the famed (though corrosive) Soviet Extra match ammo. Of course, your mileage may vary.
It's been my experience that the ammo used has nothing to do with the sticky bolt syndrome. IMHO it is the overall cleanliness of the bolt and chamber that leads to sticky bolt issues. I bought a bunch of the yellow tip stuff when spam cans were selling for $40 for 440 rounds. That's about all I've shot out of my Mosins for the last couple of years and I've had no issues with it. It does tend to run a little hot...
I've heard a lot the the laquer coated cases stick it, I'm new to the 54r and i dont want a stuck bolt on an unissued polish m44
Panzerschwein
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Oft times the stuck bolt on these ol' boomers results from dirty locking lugs or a peened bolt face. But, laquer may cause issues as well but usually not.
AABEN
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A well clean gun works better any time!
Jeremy2171
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Considering they have been using lacquer coating on cases forever ..that isn't the problem...
tark
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Clean it well, after ANY mil-surp ammo is shot in it. I have a beautiful New England Westinghouse 1891 that once had a pristine bore....... Surely, I thought that by 1996 the commies had all switched to NC primers..... I was wrong. Now it has a frosted bore and no longer shoots MOA.
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