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UK article on police gun injuries.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages...ews.html?in_article_id=535071&in_page_id=1770



Gun injuries soar as police 'experts' blast themselves and colleagues by mistake
By MARTIN SMITH - More by this author » Last updated at 00:13am on 16th March 2008

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Soaring: Gun injuries have gone up after police officers have shot themselves - and colleagues - by mistake (file image)

The number of armed police officers accidentally shooting themselves – and other colleagues – has soared in the past five years.

Now, nearly half of all injuries caused by police shootings are the result of officers blasting themselves or a colleague, often during bungled training and demonstrations.

Since 2003, there have been seven incidents in which armed police injured themselves or a fellow officer due to the careless handling of a gun, compared to just four in the previous 12 years.

The disturbing statistics call into question the competence and training of the 6,700 officers authorised to carry firearms in the 43 police forces in England and Wales.

Recent incidents include a diplomatic protection officer shooting himself in the leg, and a sharpshooter who blew the top off his thumb. The details are revealed under the Freedom of Information Act.

But while injuries to firearms officers have increased, there has been no corresponding rise in incidents in which the members of the public are shot.

Figures obtained from 29 forces reveal that from January 2003 to September 2007 there were 21 members of the public killed or injured in operational incidents – while a further seven police and staff were wounded in shooting accidents, a quarter of the total.

But from January 2006 to September 13, 2007, when five members of the public were shot dead and two injured by armed police, five officers or police staff also suffered bullet wounds.

The forces where staff have suffered accidental injuries since 2003 are the Metropolitan Police, where there were four incidents, and one each in Sussex, Thames Valley and West Mercia.

Before an accidental injury in November 2003, the last accidental wounding of a colleague by a police marksman was in 1997.

Gill Marshall-Andrews, chair of the Gun Control Network, said: "The lesson is that people get injured when there are guns around – even when the gun user is as highly trained and specialist as a police firearms officer." (color added by me :barf:)

Officers authorised to carry firearms must complete a two-week training course that includes the use of the standard police-issue Glock 17 self-loading pistol, basic firearms tactics and target identification.

But most of the time is spent on the ranges learning shooting skills and weapon handling.

The number of occasions in which firearms are deployed by police has increased dramatically – in 2002, guns were authorised on 13,991 operations, but last year that figure rose to 18,053.

How officers have been wounded

Recent accidents involving police firearms include:

• A civilian control room operator was shot in the abdomen during a firearms awareness course in Kidlington, Oxfordshire, last year. A Thames Valley Police firearms officer had been showing staff his Glock pistol, unaware it was loaded.

• A Sussex police officer accidentally shot a 48-year-old PC in the body at the range at Gatwick police station in August 2007. Body armour saved him from serious injury.

• A trainee firearms officer shot a Met instructor in the thigh as he was setting up a target in a mock-up of a night-time alley in 2003.

• A diplomatic protection officer in Central London shot himself in the leg getting into a car in September 2007.

• A firearms officer from West Mercia Police shot himself in the leg and foot in January 2006 after his gun became caught in his clothing.

• An airport security officer from the Met shot the top of his thumb off when he put it in front of his MP5 sub-machine gun during training in 2005.
 
looks like thier highly trained officers are not highly trained( kind of reminds me of here actually)... I wonder what the numbers are for the british miltary... any bets that those numbers are lower?
 
I think there's some information buried in that antigun propaganda.

1. It sounds to me like whatever the training program is, officers are not conscious of keepiing their finger off the trigger....

2. Those of us who have shot Glocks know that brain farts about finger location can be problematic.

3. But if you're taught to rely on a safety....

Somehow, these incidents fit with my present stereotype of British police--men under the influence of a nanny state, who both enforce the policies of that state and who have been harmed by it with their loss of critical thinking--not to mention any knowledge of (good) gun culture.

Jim H.
 
I think the story behind the story is that the police in Britain have had to start carrying sidearms more and more since the gun bans went into effect. The gun violence in Great Britain had gone UP 340% since virtually all guns were outlawed.
 
I knew an armed copper who joined the TA to get more range time as he got 150 rounds a year to practice with:eek:
thats from a very low familiarity with firearms.
joining a club and getting your own firearm frowned on by his superiors as you might be a "GUN NUT" admitidly his role was walking about an airport with an mp5
theres probably way more stupid accidents in the military possibly less injury's
though.

very senior officer in iraq loading pistol in loading bay BANG
OPS room that was close. Front gate did you get a shotrep
bored sentry yes about 50 m behind my location over
ops room was it an ND
sentry not sure I"LL go and ask
walks up to slightly suprised senior officer excuse me sir the ops room want to know if you deliberatly targeted the hostile loading bay sir?
not a very high road response and his very special CP team start laughing:D
 
2 Weeks of training. Wow!

Let's try this on for size: The police are not highly trained in firearms. The SAS is highly trained in firearms. They expend more ammo in 1 week than the rest of the British army expends in 1 year according to Andy McNab. All their training is live ammo including CQB.

Let's compare their accident rate per rounds expended to the British police and crunch those numbers. Anybody want to take a guess on that one?
 
"An airport security officer from the Met shot the top of his thumb off when he put it in front of his MP5 sub-machine gun during training in 2005. "

How in the world do you pull that off?

Maybe I should apply to be a firearms trainer there. Clearly the ones they already hired are not doing a very good job.
 
Could a contributing factor be that because generally guns aren't available to the public none of the new officers has ever handled one before and as a society they are generally ignorant of guns and how to handle them safely?

Either way, it's sad to see a one-time world empire reduced to an disarmed nanny state.
 
plus the training is two or 3 weeks so there not even reaching the level a TA recruit has to :(
normal mp5 quite difficult
mp5k on the other not an unusual accident :(
most police do not carry guns or need to.
if you look at the UK gun crime tends to be in certain big city's most of the rest
is air guns bloody airsofters "I'll walk to my matrix themed party tooled up:cuss:
 
they can get away with there woeful level of training as the threat to armed police is relatively low.
now the RUC NI police service now were a different kettle of fish
 
They should just turn in all their guns. Then pass out sling shots like they did in tijuana. I would laugh my ass off if they did. i think i will say it again.


STUPID BRITS
 
What can anyone expect when the entire public has been disarmed and is unfamiliar with firearms? The public is the pool from which police and military are chosen.
Isn't this type of thing part of the reasoning behind the second amendment of the Bill of Rights, the Civilian Marksmanship Program, (CMP,) and the original formation of the NRA?
Marty
 
Officers authorised to carry firearms must complete a two-week training course
Apparently that course doesn't start with safety training. And that's not nearly enough training. With only two weeks of training/practice completed, a person is still a relative novice. I would expect a far higher level of training for a gun-carrying law enforcement officer who stands a good chance of falling back on that training during a life-or-death scenario.
 
One of the root causes of Police mishaps with firearms has to be their (and I mean several generations of management by now) extreme prejudice against guns and shooting sports in general. An armed response Policeman posted on a board I visit and was proud to state that the first candidates for armed duty that they reject are - police who have an existing interest in guns or shooting. There is a (barely) unspoken attitude that civilian sporting shooters - including off-duty policemen - are nutters and psychopaths. They therefore immediately reject those who are already reasonably expert in weapon handling/ weapon ID/ marksmanship/ etc.
this includes licensing authorities case in point a friend his fac states he can hold 500 rds 5.56mm 500rds .223 500rds 7.62mm nato 500 rds .308 :)
his also has a space on his ticket for a 270mm rifle :confused:
so any armed copped who posted on here would be sacked:uhoh:
 
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