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I have loading data published by Dupont, Winchester, Hodgdon, and Hercules going back to the late 1970's. I even have an empty can from some of the first Blue Dot, with load data on the back, that I have saved. I don't load many shotshells anymore, but I do still load rifle and handgun. The one thing that is almost universally consistent across the board, is that the maximum, and many recommended, loads have decreased over time. Back in the '80 to '88 time frame, things were changing rapidly. I find the earlier loadings tend to produce velocities a lot closer to what's listed, too.
Now, were the powder formulations changing, or were the data changed to decrease the potential liabilities? My opinion is the powder stayed the same. I know I loaded Blue Dot to the max loadings I got off that old can until steel shot finally put an end to my quest for the 100 yard duck load. And I never saw a sign of excessive pressure. Nor did I see any signs when I kept pushing 117gr. BTSPs thru my 25-06 with 53 grains of 4350, even after Dupont was no longer on the label. And, I am still pushing 170 gr. JHPs out of my 357s with 13.0 gr. of 2400 (and yes that load is in a 1980 Hercules powder manual). It is a stout load, but has performed well out of at least seven different 357s now.
I think the powder companies have just played it safer as liability lawsuit awards have skyrocketed. I can't blame them for that. I have called all of them at one point or another and asked them if their formulations have changed. And they said no. And then I said I was using old data. And then they said, oh well the component performance could vary. And then I said "Oh, so you don't check burn rates of the finished product?" And at that point they would kinda say yes and get real wishy washy.
I am real careful when I do load any maximum loads. I use a very good powder measure, not the one on my Dillon progressive, and check frequently. And I always work up with a new gun or brass, etc. I wear stout safety glasses, and I have seen a Remington 760 in 30-06 blow up from an accidental double charge, so I know it pays to be diligent.
I figure if they ever did speed up the burn rate on a powder, that would be dangerous. I have never seen a warning label on powder "Do not use except with such-and-such load data".
What's your opinion? Do you only use the latest current loads, or do you do like I do?
Now, were the powder formulations changing, or were the data changed to decrease the potential liabilities? My opinion is the powder stayed the same. I know I loaded Blue Dot to the max loadings I got off that old can until steel shot finally put an end to my quest for the 100 yard duck load. And I never saw a sign of excessive pressure. Nor did I see any signs when I kept pushing 117gr. BTSPs thru my 25-06 with 53 grains of 4350, even after Dupont was no longer on the label. And, I am still pushing 170 gr. JHPs out of my 357s with 13.0 gr. of 2400 (and yes that load is in a 1980 Hercules powder manual). It is a stout load, but has performed well out of at least seven different 357s now.
I think the powder companies have just played it safer as liability lawsuit awards have skyrocketed. I can't blame them for that. I have called all of them at one point or another and asked them if their formulations have changed. And they said no. And then I said I was using old data. And then they said, oh well the component performance could vary. And then I said "Oh, so you don't check burn rates of the finished product?" And at that point they would kinda say yes and get real wishy washy.
I am real careful when I do load any maximum loads. I use a very good powder measure, not the one on my Dillon progressive, and check frequently. And I always work up with a new gun or brass, etc. I wear stout safety glasses, and I have seen a Remington 760 in 30-06 blow up from an accidental double charge, so I know it pays to be diligent.
I figure if they ever did speed up the burn rate on a powder, that would be dangerous. I have never seen a warning label on powder "Do not use except with such-and-such load data".
What's your opinion? Do you only use the latest current loads, or do you do like I do?
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