I was an NRA member for about 2 years. Then I started getting surveys to fill out that were rediculous. Something like this. How do you feel the Clinton admin. Will deal with gun rights? A)They will take away all my guns. B) They will make all weopons illegal. Or C) The will Ban all ammo for guns... They did not give a choice for any non-paranoid responce. The NRA is in the fear business. Every election is the end of the constitution and gun rights. Fear used for profit is a gross use of people for profit.
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TexasRifleman
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Every election cycle for as long as I can remember some gun control measure or another has passed.
Both Bush's signed off on gun control measures.
Clinton banned many.
Obama campaigned on renewing the ban.
That's paranoia?
Uhhhh OK
This one is easy
It costs about ten bucks for a year. How many organizations fight as hard as the NRA for your rights? None. Zippo. Do I agree with all their strategies? No. In fact, I'm a lawyer and I think some of their moves have been silly. For example, they jumped rather late on the Heller bandwagon. But those are details.
If you don't want to hear from them again, just tell them. They have no interest in calling people who don't want to be called.
It costs about ten bucks for a year. How many organizations fight as hard as the NRA for your rights? None. Zippo. Do I agree with all their strategies? No. In fact, I'm a lawyer and I think some of their moves have been silly. For example, they jumped rather late on the Heller bandwagon. But those are details.
If you don't want to hear from them again, just tell them. They have no interest in calling people who don't want to be called.
SCKimberFan
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Here's a really unique idea: Throw it away. Unless it comes from NRA-ILA, it is probably a solicitation - you don't even need to open it.
MT GUNNY
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Quote: Is it cool if I just give to the ILA?
Absolutely! I personally spend the normal yearly Fee for NRA membership, Then 6 Months later I donate to ILA the same amount. The reason This is a good idea is because the Laws regarding Lobbing does not allow NRA membership dues to go to ILA. The ILA has to rely on Donations Only! I'm not shure of the Details about that, but someone here will give them if Necessary.
Absolutely! I personally spend the normal yearly Fee for NRA membership, Then 6 Months later I donate to ILA the same amount. The reason This is a good idea is because the Laws regarding Lobbing does not allow NRA membership dues to go to ILA. The ILA has to rely on Donations Only! I'm not shure of the Details about that, but someone here will give them if Necessary.
Ah.. so donate to the NRA or I am anti-2a?, scratch that, I am just irresponsible with my rights... or I just dont care?
One more reason I find it rediculous.
tell you what.. When wayne LaPierre donates a large portion of his million dollar salary to support MY gun rights I will right them a check.. how many thousands of membership fees pay him before anything goes toward protecting MY rights?
Somehow I doubt they will be receiving my funds..
rbernie
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Right now, NRA membership is free. I cannot see why anyone would not join.
Geez - talk about a strawman argument...
His salary is actually a bit over HALF that amount; far less than most CEOs or so forth. More to the point, as far as I know his salary has absolutely ZERO to do with the ILA budget. His salary is paid by the sporting side of the house - the NRA itself - and not the gun rights/lobbying arm known as the NRA-ILA.
Geez - talk about a strawman argument...
His salary as compared to other CEO's in other businesses is unimportant... and whether or not an NRA membership is free or not right now is unimportant. I was responding to stickhauler's comment that unless one donates to such an organization (the NRA seeing as that is what this thread is in reference to) they are cheap, irresponsible, freeloaders.
oh.. and my bad.. 600,000 plus expenses... not quite my original number. It matters little to me which part of the "house" pays his salary or squanders their other funds.. When it comes down to it, where do their funds come from? Memberships and donations..
oh.. and my bad.. 600,000 plus expenses... not quite my original number. It matters little to me which part of the "house" pays his salary or squanders their other funds.. When it comes down to it, where do their funds come from? Memberships and donations..
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Complaining about a LaPierre's salary shows an incredible lack of understanding about how businesses work. Companies typically pay leaders lots of money because that person has done well and to keep them from going to other companies. LaPierre is paid that much because the NRA thinks it is worth it and his salary is offset by his management and fund raising abilities. Running a multimillion dollar a year operation like the NRA isn't a job for someone who commands a $30K salary.
I suppose you complain that the cops in your town raise your taxes by making more than minimum wage. I mean, they should want to protect the community, why are they getting paid $28K a year?
PT1911, you might find http://www.gunguys.com/ to be a more friendly site to your beliefs. They aren't fond of LaPierre's salary either. http://www.gunguys.com/?p=1061
I suppose you complain that the cops in your town raise your taxes by making more than minimum wage. I mean, they should want to protect the community, why are they getting paid $28K a year?
PT1911, you might find http://www.gunguys.com/ to be a more friendly site to your beliefs. They aren't fond of LaPierre's salary either. http://www.gunguys.com/?p=1061
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And, by extension, someday "opting out" of the RKBA. Remember your grade shool social studies? Remember Ben Franklin? "We must all hang together, or we will surely all hang separately". Or don't they teach that any more?
Join SOF, GOA, JFPO, what ever you want. But don't believe for one moment that Congress cares about organizations that have a paltry sum of members. Like it or not, NRA is the 12,000 lb elephant in the room. If he were 15,000 or 20,000 lbs, so much the better. Only you can feed him.
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Justin
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Unless you are such a fearless, outspoken advocate of the RKBA that senators and congressmen speak your name in a tone of voice that belies their fear, you are a cheap, irresponsible freeloader.
TexasRifleman
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Very true.
While I think it's a very lame excuse, that the business manager of NRA's salary is reason not to join, I leave this for general information:
2008 Non Profit Executive Salaries
President Johns Hopkins University $1,579,820
President Metropolitan Opera $1,203,145
President Boy Scouts of America $589,143
Safe Kids Worldwide $1,987,857
President, Red Cross of America $651,957
All the lame excuses do is show a continued lack of knowledge of the world around those who make those excuses.
Do you same people keep your kids out of the Boy Scouts because the CEO is paid half a million a year?
So, let me get this straight, because I do not agree with the NRA I should seek another forum? You.. A MOD are suggesting I leave because I express my opinion... yeah... that is pretty typical... I say that NRA member's funds would be better served doing something constructive than overpaying lapierre and building a museum that most can never even see and you tell me to leave... My you must really win over the fence sitters with such sentiment... thank GOD you donate to the NRA.
and you think this is a good thing and is justified in some way? You just made my point for me. People donate to a "cause" and think they can wash their hands of it and have dont their part. Little do they know only a small fraction of their donations go toward their actual "cause." Throw money at some organization and you have done your part... I feel better already. I am sure the founding father's who all of you so readily fall back on but I will surely receive flack over would love to see you pass the buck to someone else who then puts a dime per dollar toward the rights they FOUGHT for.
mljdeckard
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I don't want a second-stringer leading the NRA.
JImbothefiveth
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Relevance.
They have said they support various anti-gun laws. Why shouldn't we be attacking them over it?
Useless? How are they useless? Without them the AWB might still be in effect. Friends of NRA alone raised $125,000,000 for grants to preserve the shooting sports. (In other words, to stop the next generation of voters from voting for anti-gun lunatics)
That might actually make more sense than giving to the NRA.
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christcorp
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PT1911; maybe you already mentioned it; but I probably missed it in all your complaining; but; do you support any organizations? I'm specifically speaking of organizations that fight to preserve your 2nd amendment rights. If you support and donate to some other organizations, then fine. Nothing here to debate. Some prefer to support the NRA because they are the largest organization supporting our 2nd amendment rights. If you are supporting another organization that does that; then good for you. If you don't support any organization that defends our 2nd amendment rights because in your opinion they aren't perfect, then there's no respect in your decision. That isn't a fence sitter or someone in the middle of the road trying to make a decision. That's simply someone who is complacent and cheap and making excuses to rationalize not being involved. "Lead, Follow, or GET OUT OF THE WAY". But again; if you ARE supporting an organization that is defending our 2nd amendment rights, then good for you. It doesn't have to be the NRA. They might be the biggest; but definitely not the only one. Definitely follow what you believe in. But that's assuming you are supporting something.
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Nope, actually I was more poking fun at you as you are taking the exact same line of reasoning an anti-gun site is using to bash the NRA. Much like that site, you are repeating the same rhetoric despite the fact others have presented plenty of information that would cause most logical folks to at least adapt their position rather than claiming it somehow confirms it.
Well, someone needs to kick in a few bucks for Wayne's salary so he lead the NRA to raise the other 47+ million dollars their programs bring in each year.
As I said earlier in the thread, the NRA is far from perfect. But it really is the best we have. If you think you can come up with an organization with the size and influence of the NRA and take a $1 a year salary to show your dedication to the cause, I'll gladly donate as soon as I see someone on Capital Hill complain about your meddling in their perfectly reasonable gun laws.
seems like everything that can be said has been said at least twice.
rbernie
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Indeed, it does seem like everything that can be said has been said at least twice.
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