Use a MEC for your shot shell reloading and a different press for rifle/pistol reloading. I have two MEC 600jr presses, 12 gauge and 410 gauges. The 12 guage will reload 2 3/4" or 3" shells and the 410 will reload 2 1/2" or 3" shells. You could buy the conversion kits from MEC and possibly make the adjustments for the 1/4" difference between 2 1/2" and 2 3/4". I've never tried and just use the two different presses instead of messing with my adjustments all the time.
Pump 410s - Tell me about them
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Candyman87
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No. Can't do metallic and shotshells on the same machine. You'll need at least two different presses.
However for shotshells, most use one press per gauge. Some like the MEC 600 can be converted with parts, but it's a pain in the butt.
I currently use an RCBS Rockchucker for pistol and rifle reloading. I use a MEC Sizemaster for 12 gauge.
I will probably get a 600 Jr. for 20 and .410 since they're a bit cheaper and I don't run those through semi-auto guns.
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Now THAT is a 410 pump gun, anything else is a wanna be!!!
horsemen61
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.410 pump sounds fun
405win
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Love mine, I have a Remington 870, Mossberg 500 and a Browning O/U. Mossberg gets the most workout. 870 and Browning were my grandmothers and they are the kids when they get old enough and if I can let them go. I will probably hold on to the browning and give one my 500 which my grandfather bought me as my 1st "bird" gun.
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danez71
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Thanks again everyone.
That stinks about the reloading. It's only been part of a long term plan but...it was part of the plan none the less.
I thought they made the 870 in 410 at one time.
405win, (or anyone) how many rounds does it hold? Maybe it's worth looking for a used one...?
That stinks about the reloading. It's only been part of a long term plan but...it was part of the plan none the less.
I thought they made the 870 in 410 at one time.
405win, (or anyone) how many rounds does it hold? Maybe it's worth looking for a used one...?
sappyg
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The 410 is THE most cost effective shotgun to load for. A mec 600 jr will only run you about $200. That's not a lot of money when you start shopping for 410 ammo. I've loaded right at 800 shells on mine. If I bought those same shells factory new I would be looking at about $320. At the very least the mec jr. has offset the initial cost and my only cost now is for components.
The mossberg 500 is a sweet little 410. Mine is always brings a smile to my face but it does need a little fine tuning. The 870 express pops up here used at 6 bills and I just can't get there. Watched a nice used Browning 42 grade one for a while on GB for a grand. Couldn't buy due to some safari issue with and GB. Oh well.... Regardless, I'd rather have a Browning 42 repro at 1k than the 870 express for 600.
That said, of the three 410s I have the one that has been 100% reliable so far is the Yildiz A-4 elegant SxS. It perfect for the reloader too since you're not chasing hulls in the next county. What's more classy than a 410 double gun?
The mossberg 500 is a sweet little 410. Mine is always brings a smile to my face but it does need a little fine tuning. The 870 express pops up here used at 6 bills and I just can't get there. Watched a nice used Browning 42 grade one for a while on GB for a grand. Couldn't buy due to some safari issue with and GB. Oh well.... Regardless, I'd rather have a Browning 42 repro at 1k than the 870 express for 600.
That said, of the three 410s I have the one that has been 100% reliable so far is the Yildiz A-4 elegant SxS. It perfect for the reloader too since you're not chasing hulls in the next county. What's more classy than a 410 double gun?
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I would still like to get a Mossberg 510 Bantem .410 kiddy gun!
Yes, it's too small for an adult shotgun.
But think of it as a Tarous Judge that actually throws a good pattern!
rc
Yes, it's too small for an adult shotgun.
But think of it as a Tarous Judge that actually throws a good pattern!
rc
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Oh my my, that model 42 is beautiful Cat man. I would love to have that one and would even stop whining about the cost of the shells.
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.410
Browning makes a .410 version of their BPS Pump gun.
I have the little Mossberg pump with the 24" barrel.
Also have one of Stoeger's SXSs with 20" barrel (iirc).
Just recently I was at a gun show and came away with a Turkish made O/U with 26" barrels. Pretty little thing...weighs less than 5lbs.
Browning makes a .410 version of their BPS Pump gun.
I have the little Mossberg pump with the 24" barrel.
Also have one of Stoeger's SXSs with 20" barrel (iirc).
Just recently I was at a gun show and came away with a Turkish made O/U with 26" barrels. Pretty little thing...weighs less than 5lbs.
I have and like a Mossberg 500 in .410. It is a critter gun for my farm.
I have shot some skeet with it and it performs well as long as the shooter remembers to cycle the action.
(I'm an O/U shooter on the skeet field)
Converting a Mec 600jr from one gauge to another is not something you will want to do more than once. I'd recommend getting a second 600jr. I only load .410 2-1/2 so I do not know how difficult it is to change the shell length between 2-1/2" and 3".
I got a Universal charge bar for my .410 Mec 600jr. The powder bushings just did not get the charge I wanted close enough. With the charge bar, I could dial in the powder charge.
Also, I mounted a spacer in the bottom of the powder cavity to move the cavity more to the center of the drop tubes. It seemed to make measuring and charging hulls more consistent.
(The spacer is not necessary with the larger gauges.)
I have shot some skeet with it and it performs well as long as the shooter remembers to cycle the action.
(I'm an O/U shooter on the skeet field)Converting a Mec 600jr from one gauge to another is not something you will want to do more than once. I'd recommend getting a second 600jr. I only load .410 2-1/2 so I do not know how difficult it is to change the shell length between 2-1/2" and 3".
I got a Universal charge bar for my .410 Mec 600jr. The powder bushings just did not get the charge I wanted close enough. With the charge bar, I could dial in the powder charge.
Also, I mounted a spacer in the bottom of the powder cavity to move the cavity more to the center of the drop tubes. It seemed to make measuring and charging hulls more consistent.
(The spacer is not necessary with the larger gauges.)
ApacheCoTodd
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I've got one.
Mossberg HS (Home Security) 410.
Cute as a button and fun as all get-out to shoot. Someday though - I'll trade out plastic for wood stock parts.
Todd.
Mossberg HS (Home Security) 410.
Cute as a button and fun as all get-out to shoot. Someday though - I'll trade out plastic for wood stock parts.
Todd.
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My grandfather had a field grade Winchester 42 and he loaned it to me when I was in high school when I got the chance to go hunting for doves, rabbits, quail, etc. I loved it. My uncle inherited it, so when Browning brought out their model 42 I bought one. A truly fun gun to carry. My two brothers in law and I have hunted game farm birds together; they use 12s and I took my .410, and I got the most birds.
I recently complimented it with a CZ Ringneck .410 side by side. It feels like a magic wand on my hands. Yes, you will miss a few birds that you would have hit with a larger bore, but you will not have less fun using a .410.
By the way, every pheasant I have ever taken was with a .410, so they are not toys.
I recently complimented it with a CZ Ringneck .410 side by side. It feels like a magic wand on my hands. Yes, you will miss a few birds that you would have hit with a larger bore, but you will not have less fun using a .410.
By the way, every pheasant I have ever taken was with a .410, so they are not toys.
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danez71
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Thanks again everyone. I'm still reading and learning by osmosis.
I have a lot of wide ranging questions but I don't want to be 'that guy'
What's the difference between the Spreader choke on that HS model and OC?
The pistol grip version is OC so I could just change out the PG or swap out the VFG on the HS model like yours.
I know you didn't mean to offend.....
I'm only 5'7" on a good day but I'm shrinking everyday at my midlife age.
Using the rule of thumb guidelines, my reach is on the shorter side for my height and I generally prefer 12-13" LOP so I figured I'd put a LimbSaver on a 510 if needed.
I'd likely have to buy it sight unseen if I chose a 510 model.
In your opinion, isn't it really too small for an adult my size even with a LimbSaver?
Also,
The 510 model was what peeked my interest 1st because of your posts. I like the short LOP and the 18.5" bbl. I don't really want to go over 20ish" if possible.
The 2+1 of the 510 is just shy of being nails on a chalk board.
Is there such a thing as a mag tube extension for the 510?
I have a lot of wide ranging questions but I don't want to be 'that guy'
Mossberg HS (Home Security) 410.
Cute as a button and fun as all get-out to shoot. Someday though - I'll trade out plastic for wood stock parts.
Todd.
What's the difference between the Spreader choke on that HS model and OC?
The pistol grip version is OC so I could just change out the PG or swap out the VFG on the HS model like yours.
I know you didn't mean to offend.....
I'm only 5'7" on a good day but I'm shrinking everyday at my midlife age.
Using the rule of thumb guidelines, my reach is on the shorter side for my height and I generally prefer 12-13" LOP so I figured I'd put a LimbSaver on a 510 if needed.
I'd likely have to buy it sight unseen if I chose a 510 model.
In your opinion, isn't it really too small for an adult my size even with a LimbSaver?
Also,
The 510 model was what peeked my interest 1st because of your posts. I like the short LOP and the 18.5" bbl. I don't really want to go over 20ish" if possible.
The 2+1 of the 510 is just shy of being nails on a chalk board.
Is there such a thing as a mag tube extension for the 510?
ApacheCoTodd
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(1) I assume that "OC" is "Open Choke" or "Cylinder" in this post. In that case, consider this a version of OC in that it is not intended for range but near-in lethality and improved coverage by deliberately "spreading" the shot horizontally - think of a hallway.(1) What's the difference between the Spreader choke on that HS model and OC?
(2) The pistol grip version is OC so I could just change out the PG or swap out the VFG on the HS model like yours.
(3) I'm only 5'7" on a good day but I'm shrinking everyday at my midlife age.
Using the rule of thumb guidelines, my reach is on the shorter side for my height and I generally prefer 12-13" LOP so I figured I'd put a LimbSaver on a 510 if needed.
(4) I'd likely have to buy it sight unseen if I chose a 510 model.
In your opinion, isn't it really too small for an adult my size even with a LimbSaver?
(2) Sounds right.
(3)The Mossberg 500 - HS410 LOP is 13.875 inches with a rather nice and quite removable buttpad of around 3/4 inch.
(4) It is absolutely not too small for someone my size or smaller. I'm 5-10+ and it's a sweet little thing in fit.
http://www.mossberg.com/product/500-tactical-hs410-home-security-50359/
Todd.
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I have always had a yearning for a pump 410 as well. A Springfield model 67 popped up in the local classifieds for $200. I snatched it up. It isn't anything fancy, and it shows a little honest wear, but it has served me quite well and I haven't had a single problem with it.
skeptical_in_Ohio
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Also intrigued by .410 - saw one, need advice.
Hi all-
I see a Mossberg in .410 that looks pretty decent (overall), apparently a shooter that has a clean bore. From the pics it looks like a good cleaning from being ready to go. There's a little freckling, but that looks like some steel wool and polish would cover it. The seller has a "buy it now" price of $170, but the real (i.e. reserve) may be a little lower.
That's the good news.
The bad news is that there's a gouge on the receiver that looks to be from nothing to about a 16th inch deep from a picture. If it really is that deep, I would be inclined to clean it up and Cerakote the receiver. If it's "better than it looks" some sanding, smoothing and coating would be fine.
My question, assuming the gouge is too deep to ignore or cover easily; could somebody who's good with welding/brazing (i.e. NOT me) fill that and smooth it up , ready for Cerakoting?
Opinions appreciated.
Hi all-
I see a Mossberg in .410 that looks pretty decent (overall), apparently a shooter that has a clean bore. From the pics it looks like a good cleaning from being ready to go. There's a little freckling, but that looks like some steel wool and polish would cover it. The seller has a "buy it now" price of $170, but the real (i.e. reserve) may be a little lower.
That's the good news.
The bad news is that there's a gouge on the receiver that looks to be from nothing to about a 16th inch deep from a picture. If it really is that deep, I would be inclined to clean it up and Cerakote the receiver. If it's "better than it looks" some sanding, smoothing and coating would be fine.
My question, assuming the gouge is too deep to ignore or cover easily; could somebody who's good with welding/brazing (i.e. NOT me) fill that and smooth it up , ready for Cerakoting?
Opinions appreciated.
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danez71
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The receiver is aluminum so theres issues with welding and brazing.
And it seems to me, but I don't have much reference, that the cost with paying someone to fix makes it not such a deal in the end.
There is a product that you can use at home to "weld" aluminum at home with a cheap propane torch.
Then sand and smooth and more work.
I'd be more incline to leave it or try buffing it out ( or at least less noticeable) and recoating if it bothers you.
And it seems to me, but I don't have much reference, that the cost with paying someone to fix makes it not such a deal in the end.
There is a product that you can use at home to "weld" aluminum at home with a cheap propane torch.
Then sand and smooth and more work.
I'd be more incline to leave it or try buffing it out ( or at least less noticeable) and recoating if it bothers you.
skeptical_in_Ohio
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Thanks for the information - sort of confirmed the direction I was leaning. I'll keep looking.
gunnerh
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Wal mart has mossy 500 .410's with vent rib full chokes for under $220. Got one 3 or 4 months ago on sale for $199. Fun little gun. I been using a single shot for many years around the house for snakes, crows and small pests. The up grade is nice. Only a wee bit heavier with fast 2nd and 3rd shot follow up.
I go thru 1 or 2 boxes a year so I do not reload for it.
I go thru 1 or 2 boxes a year so I do not reload for it.
FL-NC
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I have a wingmaster 870 in 410 I got for christmas when I was 10 (1977). Used it dove hunting until I outgrew it, still have it. Probably haven't even fired it in 20-30 years.
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