Qualification Tests?

[marklbucla]

I thought it would be fun to try some different stuff out at the range and I was just wondering where I stand with my own pistol skills....

So, what did you have to do for your Military/CCW/Armed Guard/etc. pistol qualification test? How was it scored?

I ran a search, but all I could find was that one army rifle qualification test.

 

[Roadkill Coyote]

try

Dan Young's page on handgun drills and standards

just go down to the standards section, plenty to look at

 

[Roadkill Coyote]

And,

Colorado POST Firearms Training (2003 manual)

Drop down to section IX., three quarter of the way down the page for the current Academy qualifier.

 

[Ky Larry]

For my Ky CCW qualification, we had to hit a mansized silloute 15 out of 21 times from 7 yards. I put 19 rounds in the X ring and the last 2 in the targets eye area. Even though it seemed very easy to me, only three out f ten of us qualified on the first attempt.

 

[HardCOR]

I am Correctional Peace Officer with the California Department of Corrections. We have many weapons to qualify with, but our handgun is the S&W Model 60 .38 S&W Special. The ammo is 158 Grain Lead Hollow Point (no +P). The target it a police human looking type thing, I don't recall the designation, with a Coke bottle shaped kill zone that encompasses the vitals and lower throat. Course of fire is as follows:

3 yards, "Combat Position" (draw, fire from the waist, no sights, compulsive grip). You have 10 seconds to fire 6 rounds, reload from a speed loader, fire 6 more.)

Move back to 7 yards, fire from "Instinctive Position" (chin level, no sights, compulsive grip), You have 10 seconds to fire 6 rounds, reload from a speed loader, fire 6 more.

Move back to 15 yards fire from "Aimed Position" ( draw, fire from eye level, utilizing your sights, a more relaxed grip). You have 15 seconds to fire 6 rounds, reload from a speed loader, fire 6 more.

Each round in the kill zone is worth 1 point, any other hits are worth nothing. 26 points to qualifiy, 36 is perfect.

It should be noted that the .38 S&W Special is considered a self defence weapon and is not used for offensive operations, nor would it or any outher firearm, be found on a prison yard in normal circumstances

 

[marklbucla]

Thanks for the responses, and welcome to thehighroad, HardCOR!

 

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Funny you should ask; I am scheduled to re-qual for my CCW early next month. The course of fire is, uhm, well let's just say that the bar is set REAL low.

On a standard full size B-27:

15 yrds. Draw and fire five rounds in 40 seconds. That's right, a almost 3/4 minute.

7 yrds. Draw and fire five rounds in 30 seconds.

5 yrds. Draw and fire five rounds in 25 seconds. Repeat.

3 yrds. Draw and fire five rounds in 20 seconds. Repeat.

Passing is 24 hits within the 7 ring.

Needless to say that my personal standards are a little higher than that and I sincerly hope that the department has more stringent requirments for it's officers.

Oh in case your curious, this is the course of fire developed by the local sheriff's department...

 

[garrettwc]

Do a search here for that very topic. Several months ago we made an attempt to gather this information all in one place. There is a thread that lists qualifications for police departments around the country.

Try 'qualify' or 'course of fire' or similar terms and the thread should come up.

 

[Navy joe]

I don't remember the Navy qual, it started at 3 yards and ended at 15, 48 rounds, transitional target (blue blob) and times good enough for me to take a nap in while some folks struggled to finish half the drills in the allotted time. I got bored at the end and dropped two shots a little. 236/240. Way too easy.

I suggest for you shooting an IDPA classifier. Good basic skills test, set standards to judge yourself against.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Range Qualification for Texas CHL
A total of 50 rounds are fired during the course of the qualification test.
A score of 70%, or 175 points of a possible 250, is required to pass.
The target used is a TX-PT which is a human-shaped silhouette target measuring 45 by 24 inches.
All shooting is from the ready position, which means the gun is already in your hands.
No holster shooting or shooting from concealed is required.


Course of Fire:
3 yard line - 20 shots:
1 shot in 2 seconds, 5 times
2 shots in 3 seconds, 5 times
5 shots in 10 seconds, once

7 yard line - 20 shots:
5 shots in 10 seconds, once
1 shot in 3 seconds, 5 times
2 shots in 4 seconds, once
3 shots in 6 seconds, once
5 shots in 15 seconds, once

15 yard line - 10 shots:
2 shots in 6 seconds, once
3 shots in 9 seconds, once
5 shots in 15 seconds, once

 

[FireInTheHole]

Only 15yds live firing?

I thought that most departments required something like 4-6" grouping @ 25yds.

Heh. Im feeling alot better about my shooting now

 

[M2 Carbine]

FireInTheHole

That's 15 yards for the CHL.
I don't know what the Texas DPS troopers have to shoot.

For a "shooter" this course is childs play but for a new shooter it can be difficult, especially in that all the shooting is timed.

I have a range in the back yard and from time to time I'll run new people through the course for practice. It's fun to see how fast they progress.

 

[Blueduck]

I thought that most departments required something like 4-6" grouping @ 25yds.

Having shot with several agencies I can say that requirment would put about 80% of local LEO's on the bread line

To be fair though most I've shot with have been good at what counts in there job. Quickly drawing and firing multiple shots centermass at close range, one handed, two handed, weak handed, winded from running etc. Bullseye type shooting very slow 3" groups at 25 yards is a respected skill that maybe could come in handy to a police officer but think it's way down the list priority wise. Trend I'm seeing seems to be agencies dropping the old "most at 25 yards a few at 50 yard" type quals to more realistic mostly under 15 yards with more time pressure, and a few hostage or obstructed targets being thrown in to make it harder.

 

[Blueduck]

BTW

Loved the course QuarterBoreGunner described above. Finally an agency that understands how many people would like to tote a TC Contender as a CCW yet often can't make those strict time limits

 

[HardCOR]

marklbucla, thanks for the welcome

Boy did I screw up my post, did it from memory and what it feels like. Here is the offical stuff about off-duty weapons and applies to duty weapons as well:
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1. To qualify for certification, each participant shall be required, using the B-27 type target, to complete the below course of fire with a score of no less than twenty-six (26) hits out of a possible thirty-six (36) hits on or within the seven (7) ring of the target while demonstrating safe handling of the weapon at all times:

1. Hip level, strong hand or both hands, at three (3) yards distance from the target; starting with six (6) rounds loaded in the weapon; the participant shall have thirty (30) seconds within which to fire the six (6) rounds then reload (speed loaders permitted) and fire six (6) more rounds (a total of twelve [12] rounds) at the target.
2. Instinctive shooting (not using the weapon's sights), chin level, strong hand or both hands, at seven (7) yards distance from the target; starting with six (6) rounds loaded in the weapon; the participant shall have thirty (30) seconds within which to fire the six (6) rounds then reload (speed loaders permitted) and fire six (6) more rounds (a total of twelve [12] rounds) at the target.
3. Using sights, strong hand or both hands, at fifteen (15) yards distance from the target; starting with six (6) rounds loaded in the weapon; the participant shall have forty-five (45) seconds within which to fire the six (6) rounds then reload (speed loaders permitted) and fire six (6) more rounds (a total of twelve [12] rounds) at the target.
4. Scores shall be calculated by counting the number of hits scored on and within the seven (7) ring of the target. A round which touches or breaks the outer seven (7) ring line shall be scored as a hit. A round that does not strike the scoring area shall not be counted.

3. Each participant shall provide his/her own ammunition necessary for qualification. The only type of ammunition which may be used for a qualification session shall be:

1. Loaded or reloaded by a factory, including factory wad-cutters.
2. Standard loads; no "magnum" loads.
3. Standard or hollow-point bullets; no shot, plastic, cap and ball, or other variation of bullets.

1. Each participant shall provide his/her own off-duty weapon and a strong-side hip holster. The only type of weapons which may be used for qualification sessions shall be:

1. Double action on the first round; no single action revolver.
2. Revolver or semi-automatic pistol; no single shot pistol, shot-gun or rifle.
3. From .22 to .45 caliber (includes 9mm).

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I haven't done the off-duty thing yet (new to the department),but I understand that adjustments will be be made for 5-shot revolvers. Anything with capacity over 6 rounds will be loaded to only six. I think most true mouse guns are out as theY would not be accurate enough to qualify with, at least in my hands. From my practice at home I believe I can do it with my SP-101 and my Bersa .380, my only concealable guns.

 

[Leatherneck]

Virginia CCH test consists of firing at 7 yds and 15 yds for a while until the instructor is satisfied that you won't inadvertently kill somebody and you can generally observe safety rules and hit near the target.

Now back in The Old Corps...we started at 500 yards and moved out until it started to get hard

TC
TFL Survivor

 

[M2 Carbine]

"Now back in The Old Corps...we started at 500 yards and moved out until it started to get hard"


Right!
And with M1 Garands.
That was the Old, Old Corps.

Just kidding.

In the 50's, we/I just shot to 500 yards.

Semper Fi

 

[lee n. field]

The test for the one day course I took this spring and retook last month:

4 yards, 6 rounds strong hand only, timed.
4 yards, 6 rounds weak hand only, timed.
7 yards, 6 rounds, reload, 6 more rounds, timed.
10 yards, 6 rounds, timed.

into an IDPA target. 15 seconds per string, I think.

 

[Sharpie1]

I teach Basic Pistol and Pistol: First Steps - both are NRA courses.

While there are no shooting standards specified in neither the statute nor the NRA rules and regs, I have a set of standards that a student must meet before they pass the courses I teach.

Each student must shoot 3, 5-shot groups inside a standard 8.5X11 letter size paper target at 7 yards. If a student fires five shots into one sheet of paper, then he is 1/3 finished. Then, up comes the second paper. If the first two shots are in the paper, and the third is not, then the second paper must be started over again.

Although this seems quite easy, you would be surprised how many people have difficulty doing this.

I'm not a supporter of state-mandated shooting standards for citizens, but I like to give my students something to work toward. This also helps the new shooter have a sense of accomplishment when they successfully complete the range portion of the course. If a student has trouble with completing these shooting standards, I always offer to help them at a later range session (normally free of charge), and of course encourage them to practice until they become proficient.

TD

 

[Rickstir]

I have taken and passed the Missouri CCW class. It's now on hole but we hope to have it settled to our liking in January.

In the MO test there is a 20 round scored shoot at 7 yards with a B-27 target with the pistol of your choice. Shooter must hit a minimum of 15 rounds in the black to pass. Then you have to fire an additional 50 rounds using both a revolver and an auto. You must show competency in the safe handling, loading, firing, and un-loading of each weapon. I shot 20 out of 20, I'm no expert by any means, but come on....7 yards?

 

[mec]

Texas chl

Fifty rounds from 3 ,7, 15 yards from low ready. Different sequences and time limits. Not challenging if you know how the gun works. Passing score is 75%. ThisShooter has just scored 96%