quality repairs in houston area (heirlooms)

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hi -- anyone know of someone in the houston area that does repairs on old/damaged/neglected firearms ... not just typical gunsmith stuff, but fixing up old forgotten family heirlooms? nothing high value that will be presentation pieces, but we want to make them functional and safe, as well as keeping them in their "well used" state -- essentially respecting them and keeping their history from being wiped away by a complete refinishing, if you catch my meaning.

i have recently been given three guns (though i have not take posession as yet) that have been neglected for decades, stored and forgotten in closets. two are my great-grandfathers that my dad used often when growing up (a .22 that was used daily and shot thousands of rounds and from all stories had near perfect accuracy as far as they eye could see, of course, and a shotgun i didn't get too close a look at, but it is definitely quite old and well used), and a winchester 1892 that belonged to my mother's father (this gun has great sentimental value, but appears very beat up).

the .22 is a single-shot bolt action that has a slightly cracked stock, but not so bad that it wouldn't be functional. the barrel may or may not be in bad shape, but it doesn't look too bad.

the shotgun also doesn't look too terribly bad, and the wood looks intact -- the barrel has some light rusting but otherwise it's probably the most safe to shoot... given a good cleaning and closer inspection.

the 1892, on the other hand, is in bad shape. the stock is cracked very badly. the thing is, this is a gun that was handled by my mother's father, and she has NO desire to have the wood replaced or altered greatly from its current state, because it is one of the few tangible things left that he touched that we are still able to see and touch ourselves. rumor has it that it was a gun he had while in the army, although it's unclear if it was an issue gun or if it was one he had privately -- rumor also is that the stock was cracked while he was in the army and never had it repaired. because it is in a delicate state, i didn't look too deeply at the hardware on the gun or state of the barrel, etc (i did cycle the lever a couple times and it "worked"). this seems to be the most challenging of the bunch -- if we are unable to make repairs good enough to be fired again, then it would be sufficient to repair the stock and clean it up a bit so we could handle it and not shoot. most repair places i've found online or few calls i made seem to be in it to make the gun "pretty" again -- replace all the wood, clean everything up, reblue, etc... that's exactly what we don't want but it's hard to find someone who really understands what i'm going for.

i do not want to personally attempt repair or anything on these, and i don't want someone who really doesn't know what they're doing -- the 1892 in particular we really want to be "fixed" but not destroy the current wood or remove the character that it has. i can't help but think that there's gotta be someone out there who can do this -- surely it's not an uncommon thing? the worst case would be to get someone who thinks they can repair stocks like that and end up utterly destroying it and any chance to salvage... if that were the case then we'd rather have just left it as-is.

anyway, please give me your thoughts or recommendations. i'd love to be able to get these fixed up and, if possible, allow my folks to shoot them once again. it'd be a wonderful connection to the past to have these alive and kicking again... but at the very least i want to get them out of the closets and feel respectable again.
 
I don't have a suggestion as to a gunsmith in your area, but I want to compliment you on your approach to preserving the guns and their character rather than undertaking a restoration project. What you ask for is certainly feasible.

Clemson
 
I'm having trouble finding a straight-up gunsmith in Houston myself. And I just need a typical repair on a S&W, and maybe get the blue touched up.

I called up Collector's Firearms over on Richmond, who typically deal is really fine grade stuff, so I figured they had a pro on staff or a contract with one or several. The guy on the phone, who was really nice and seemed honest, said they did not have one on site, and basically of the two or three guys they usually contracted, one past away and the others moved on, retired, etc.

A Google search turned up little prospects. It came up with one 1911.org thread where Houston residents discussed gunsmiths, but these gentlemen are basically specially trained pistolsmiths who mainly do professional trigger and slide jobs. Tried to look them up anyway - one was semi-retired, and the other had no "store front" - basically people got his number from word of mouth and he worked out of his home, I suppose.

The one I found was Briley. They have a website that lists prices and discusses what's included. But they seem slightly expensive, and again lean more towards accurizing pistols.

The only other one I know, which I've used before to have a shotgun stock installed, is Carter's Country on the Katy Fwy. But they seem to focus mostly on hunting long guns - mounting scopes, trigger jobs, etc.
 
The single shot .22 and maybe the shotgun - unless it is of a major fine make - sound like makins for a DIY project. Study up on the methods so you don't make them worse. Clean off the rust withextra fine steel wool and oil, leaving as much old blue as possible; learn how to repair stock cracks (It isn't just glue.) and put them back into service with a minimum of fuss. Real restoration would be horribly expensive and as you say, gun store patchup and fixup would not look a whole lot better than clean wear.
I'd try to do those myself rather than pay somebody to munge them up, unless, as I said, the shotgun were a nice one fallen on hard times. If it is, see below.

The 1892 is an entirely different problem. From what you say, it may well be impossible to get it shootable without losing its character. It might be best to stabilize it for show only with no attempt to get it running. Even that is work for a knowledgeable expert. He would remove the active rust, leaving as much of the old rust and dirt ("patina") as possible. Clean the surface house dust and cobwebs off the stock, leaving the ingrained dirt and soot. Unobvious repair to just keep the cracked stock together and on the gun without reinforcing it enough to shoot might be all that could reasonably be done.

I may be pessimistic, a real pro might could turn it into a well worn shooter. This is beyond any consideration of a local gunsmith you could hand carry it to, it needs a REAL PRO who would be willing to do it your way and know where to work and when to stop. You might call David Chicoine, he does nice restorations but he also did mechanical repairs on mine and a friend's old S&W topbreaks without pushing cosmetic work on us.
http://www.oldwestgunsmith.com/

Good luck.

Oh, yeah; the Army didn't issue 1892 lever actions except in bad western movies. Of course Grandpa might have owned it for hunting on leave while in the service.
 
This thread prompted me to get the lead out and just take my revolver to Carter's to see what they could do. (Ejector rod problem, been out of commission for about three weeks, I've just been busy.)

The gentleman at the gun repair counter took a good look and knew his stuff. Listened to everything I had to say (I wanted a detail strip and clean as long as it was going to be in the shop) and even said he could touch up the blue. Said he might have to order some parts and quoted a 3 week estimated turn around.

So *thumbs up*. Seems like they are indeed full service. I believe I've read either here or elsewhere that some folks have sworn off Carter's because Bill Carter has campaigned against gun shows and things like this - but I like to go there because all of the guys that work there, at any of the three shops shops of his that I've been too, have been completely polite, knowledgeable, and are in fact "gun guys." I would stop by over there and I bet they would offer their sound advice as to how to proceed with your particular "restoration" needs, whether you take their service or not.
 
Carter has lobbied against gun shows because they kill his business , he sells Glocks for almost $600, while I can get them NIB at $440. I dont buy from him because of his prices and when I asked them about a small fix on one of my ruger pistols, they were somewhat rude about it. He has a nice shop, but I dont think they get it, they have the storefront to do volume sales, but they dont and that is why they hate gunshows. For some unknown reason, Dallas has volume gun shops but Houston doesnt. I still shoot at his range because its close, although that new indoor range on 1960 will be getting some of my business.


Heres an article about Carter.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_2_45/ai_60071353
 
Thanks for the article. Interesting stuff.

Any info on this new range on 1960? I'm always looking for new places to shoot. Been going to ASC and Top Gun almost exclusively lately.
 
For a long time Bill Carter would not sell Glocks claiming they were unsafe, but he would sell the S&W Sigma because he was a big time S&W dealer (they operate pretty much the same way). Anyway, he woke up one day and realized how much money he was losing, and started selling Glocks.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
I have not been to shiloh range on 1960, but from what I have read on the texas chl forum, it seems like a good place to shoot. I plan on going down there some time soon, I am sick of shooting at carters as every time I go to their pistol range I hit that plywood overhang.

I think shiloh has a flat fee to shoot, not hourly. The only downside is that they dont allow lead bullets.


http://www.shilohshooting.com/
 
Might give Parkhill Gunworks a try.
617 E 20th St
Houston, TX 77008
(713) 861-3234

They've been friendly for calls and transfers, but I haven't had any work done there.
 
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