Question: Home Security Shotgun for Women

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Use a 12 gauge but use reduced recoil tactical ammo. It paterns better is actually more effective and recoils about the same as trap loads. Even out female officers have no problems with it.
Pat
 
Quote: "I bought an 870 7 shot Express Riot, 18" pump 12g."

Good choice. FWIW, the Federal "Tactical Buck" holds the tighest pattern out of mine. But, I've not had a chance to try the relatively new "TAPS" load ...

I have shot lots of Remington "Reduced Recoil" buckshot and slugs, available here at places like Sportsman's Warehouse for $2.50 to $3.00 per box of 5. If ya can find 'em (typically at gun shows), various brands somewhat cheaper in boxes of 25.

Another FWIW ... I recently had my 18" "Riot Gun" threaded for scew-in choke tubes for some additional versatility. It currently has an extra heavy "super full" choke in it, but can also accept the improved cylinder or modified chokes out of my semi-auto quail gun ...

Defensive ammo-wise, you'll likely hear advice rangeing all the way from #8 birdshot to slugs... Mine is most commonly loaded with the Federal "Low Recoil" Tactical 00 mentioned above (With a few slugs handy on the side.)

An interesting-sounding load I want to pattern shortly is EnvironMetal's "Dead Coyote", Hevi-Shot in T's (20 caliber pellets) ... http://www.hevishot.com/home.html
 
If I was a female I think I would NOT use a semi auto. The smaller females in classes I attended had problems with reliablity on 1100s and Benellis that were traceable to lack of upper body mass/strength.
An 20ga. 870 lightweight youth would be about perfect IMHO. The Benelli Nova 20 ga youth deer gun would be good too. The one my wife has now, and likes alot, is a 20 ga Ithaca Deer Slayer , which I cut the stock down to 12 1/2" with a limbsaver pad. No mag extension so is "only" 5 shots :rolleyes: but is real light and easy to shuck with the Model 37 typical short shuck. ;)
 
GR,

Excellent choice on your shotgun purchase :D

Also, I use the same ammo in my HD shotgun. It patterns really tight for me. Speaking of patterning, Patterning 101, if you haven't already found it, is an awesome thread. It is the first Sticky post at the top of the shotgun forum. Mr. McC wrote it and has done us all a favor by doing so. Check it out.

Congrats on the purchase. Now go practice. Shoot the heck out of it.
 
I'm getting a youth stock for my 12 ga. Mossberg 500 simply for handiness.
carberry is the only person i know over 6 feet tall that wants a shottie with a youth stock. then again, he always retracts the stocks on AR's to the shortest position before firing as well. maybe he doesnt know he's a "big kid"?

:neener:

hornady makes the low recoil buckshot loads for semi-auto shotguns, they work just fine in a pump and are pleasant to shoot. you might also consider some of the birdshot loads for reduced penetration of walls but adequate penetration of intruders at close distances.
 
Spiffy,

If you were a "Former Action Guy" like me you'd know that the shorter LOP makes it easier to mount the gun with armor and full battle rattle on.

:evil:
 
{sigghhhhh}
we've been over this a dozen times. you are a Former Action Individual Recon Yuppy. I'm the Fat Arse Greenhorn.

spacemanyoumissedoutonafunnightspiff
 
i have always been told by training officers that you should always give up length on the barrel end than on the stock end. a shorter barrel [within legalities] hinders your effectiveness less than a pg or an ill fitting stock.
pat
 
Goddess - You wouldn't happen to have once studied at Embry-Riddle? I knew a gal there with the same name.

Anyway, where in CA do you live? There's a combined AZ/SoCal THR group shoot coming up in Yuma in early November. The thread on that is here. A bunch of us will be camping out there as well. We'd love to have you join us. My wife might also come, so you wouldn't be the only woman (though if she does make it, we'll be splitting range time and parenting time - unfortunatly 17 month olds just aren't a good thing to have around a shooting range).
 
Thanks everyone for your continued comments. They've all been very useful!

I just ordered a SpecOps recoil reducing stock from Larry at Knoxx Industries and it arrived less than 24 hours from when I ordered it. Now if that isn't lightning quick, I don't know what is! Too bad I still have to wait 5 days until I can pick up my 870.

Thanks for all of your suggestions. I definately will be getting the reduced recoil ammo -- Scattergun Tech/Wilson Combat suggests Remmington Reduced/Managed Recoil and a lot of other people also say that Federal's equivalent is good, so I'll look for either.

And I found some trainers out my way so I'll be good to go.

Ciao for now!

Rhiannon

p.s. We'll see about the Yuma event...I doubt my 6 week old baby boy would enjoy it though!
 
If my wife comes along I'm sure between me and her we can look after him. Our (by then 19 month old) daughter will have to be looked after away from the firing line anyway. Unless you're breastfeeding his dad might even enjoy a weekend with just him too.

Anyway, sounds like you're well on your way to having a pretty good setup for a HD shottie. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
 
Goddess Rhiannon: Welcome.

Nice to see yet another woman on this forum, especially one that calls herself 'goddess'. Rock on, mam.
{{I dream of what THR could be with equal numbers of both genders. {Can you spell 'rock 'n roll'?}}}

My 2c: reread posts from Pax & Dr. Dave McC. Not just in this thread, but all threads. Same goes for a lot of other fine, intelligent, often wise folks around this neighborhood. Learn from the knowledgeable ones; ignore the ones that don't feel right, somehow. Ask questions. I have. And I've learned lots. And I don't even have my 870P yet. (Have I mentioned in the last 73 minutes that the IRS refund, with which i will purchase said beautiful steel barrel with speedfeed stock, has still not arrived?)

May I suggest: do LOTs of reading in the shotgun forum; "mine" the archives using keywords in the search function before doing any mods to your shottie. If you don't find the topic you're seeking, just ask.

As for the recoil issue: I'm a guy not substantially more massive than you. I don't like recoil either. (Grew up with 20 ga., then 16 ga.) Yet, I'm buying a 12. Thanks to links I've found on this forum, added to memories of shotgun use in my teens, I've learned that dealing with recoil is less about technology and more about knowing how to position your body upon trigger pull.

{More knowledgeable shotgunners will correct my mistakes.}

E.g., set up a stance with securely held shottie (with proper stock length) pulled firmly into your right shoulder {assuming you're a rightie}. Your feet are slightly more than shoulder width apart. Your left foot is 45 degrees in front of your right. {Ooooh. That's gotta sting our more conservative forumite friends. :neener: } Your head is leaning over your left foot.

Reread: your head is leaning over your left foot. Lean into the shot.

Upon trigger pull, that 12 ga. recoil pushes your body backwards from its forward position onto your right leg.
It's all about letting your body flow backwards with the recoil.

If you're standing too tight, it jerks you.

Go with the flow,
you're good to go.

OK, so much for poetry;
this is a gun forum.

Hang out for a while.
You'll like it here. ;)
 
Nematocyst-870 wrote:

My 2c: reread posts from Pax & Dr. Dave McC. Not just in this thread, but all threads.

I've learned that D. McC. and pax (and some others) really know their $#!T when it comes to shotguns. I've done some browsing in other threads like the shotgun 101 stuff, and sometimes I get some good stuff there. Other times I have no freaking idea what they're talking about (e.g., "Patterning 101" -- Patterning? Whas dat? :eek: ). I'm sure when I take a shooting lesson, I'll get all the lingo straight though.

Since you said that I should ask questions, tell me...why are you getting the police model 870 instead of the Express Riot like I got?

Thanks for the suggestions on stance. Gives me a head start. :p

Rhiannon
 
Rhiannon,

First my disclaimer: take everything I write here with a grain of salt, including my suggestions about stance that I wrote last night. That little label to the left of here may say "senior member", but that's only because I've posted a lot in the two months I've been on this great forum. I'm really a novice. Even though my shotgun was my main weapon when I was a teen, I haven't owned one in years. I'm really on THR to learn from the folks who know what they're doing.

I wrote my suggestions based on what I think to be correct, knowing that if I'm too far from wrong, others will kindly correct me.

As for patterning, you'll get the idea better by reading some threads on the topic, especially Patterning 101. The basic idea is that until you do that procedure with your specific shotgun (yes, the one in your hand, not just the same model), with several different types of shells (e.g., 00 v. #1 buck or #7 birdshot), and makers (e.g., Remington v. Federal), for various distances (say 5, 15 & 25 yds...), you won't know what kind of pattern the projectiles (e.g., buckshot or birdshot) will produce at any given yardage.

Patterning involves shooting your shottie under controlled conditions at a stationary "target" (like a large piece of paper with a dot on it for target) so that you can see what pattern is produced. Once you find the pattern that works best for you, stick with that specific shell by that specific maker so you know what it'll do. Once I find the 'one', i'll probably buy a case.

When I was a kid, I never patterned my shottie. No wonder I missed so many rabbits & birds. :eek: Even when I joined THR a while back, I might have scoffed at the need to pattern. But after reading a bunch of posts and threads about it, now I'm a believer. That's the first thing I'll do when I get my 870.
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As for why I'm buying an 870P (as opposed to, say, an eXpress), the 870P is just a little "better" weapon, at least in the minds of some (including mine after MUCH reading). Not that the eXpress isn't a fine gun. It is. But just like auto makers produce several different models at different price points, Remington makes several 870's for slightly different price points. The 870P is subject to a bit higher manufacturing standards (materials, buffing, coatings, etc) than the eXpress, so it costs a few bucks more. (Actually, about $150 more last I looked.)

While both are very good, servicable weapons, the P is produced for professionals who's life is on the line everyday, who want it to rack smoothly from day one, and not just at the range.

And (I confess), I have a habit of buying the best I can even if I don't really "need" the best. (If I had a new baby like you do, I'd be perfectly happy with an eXpress.)

If you search the shotgun forum (keyword: 870P), you'll find lots of discussion about this topic, about what is the real difference between eXpress and 870P.

Here's an informative one that I bookmarked. Read post #8 by dfariswheel. (I'm starting to agree guys: maybe that thread should be a shotgun sticky.)

For me, after a lot of reading first, I started going to gun shops. Most, including Costco, carried the express. When I first picked up the 870P, shouldered it, and racked it, I immediately felt the difference. For example, at least on the 870P with synthetic Speedfeed stocks, the stock is shorter than the eXpress by some large fraction of an inch. That translates to faster shouldering.

The fore-end of the 870P doesn't have quite as much lateral play as the eXpress. Not that's it's a lot on the X, but it's just less on the P. Tighter tolerances in the machining.

Plus, there are more options available with the P than with the Xpress model: various combinations of sights (bead, GR, rifle); stock (Speedfeed 1, II, III, IV, or wooden); magazine extension (standard; +2); barrel length (14", 18", 20"). {I've got my combo already picked out. Hold the mayo, extra tomato & onion, please.}

Still, again, I agree with many, including Dave McC: an 870 of any flavor - long-barreled Wingmaster, eXpress HD, 870P, marine magnum, ... - is a great shotgun.

AND, regardless of which one you own, THE most important thing you can do with it is BA/UU/R ("Buy Ammo/Use Up/Repeat"). That is, practice, practice, practice until it's use deployment from deep sleep to awake to rack is fast and as second nature as brushing your teeth.

Otherwise, it's just a dangerous paperweight standing near (or under) your bed.

Hope this helps.

NemA~
 
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Welcome aboard, Goddess

I'm sorry, but "Goddess Rhiannon" and "870P" are giving me incongruous images! :D

Where in Cali are you? (I'm in the Capitol)

A lot of shotgun recoil is mental. Some people have seen too many movies. A decent recoil pad and proper shouldering technique will overcome most of the problem. That-and PRACTICE.

Welcome to THR. Look around, and make yerself comfy.
 
A decent recoil pad and proper shouldering technique will overcome most of the problem.
The pad. I totally forgot to mention the pad. Thanks, AB.

R3 for me, please.

PS: Laurie Anderson rocks.
Saw her last (unfortunately) on the first night of her Strange Angels tour in ABQ.
Beyond fantastic. :cool:
 
i was gonna recommend knoxx products but i see you have found them already. glad you got somthing your happy with. the 00buck is a good choice for home use. only thing further i would recomend is to have a good flashlight for target verification.
 
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