Ramshot Silhouette

[Dudedog]

Picked up some the other day to try, first time with this powder.
I know burn rate does not matter per say, load data cannot be determined by burn rate. I have load data but am a bit surprised about the large difference different charts show on the burn rate.
(of course all that really matters is is the load safe and does it shoot well)
Ramshot shows if a being slower than #2 and faster than #5 other charts show it more around Universal/Unique speed and yet other charts show it as slower than CFE-P. (between #5 and #7)
Different charts may move a powder up and down a few spots but charts seem all over on this one.

Just curious to hear from people who have used it before where they would place it.
Hope all of you up North and back East are not frozen, , weather maps show it being chilly in that part of the country.
Thanks in advance.

 

[ReloaderFred]

Ramshot Silhouette is the old Winchester WAP (Winchester Action Pistol) powder. I've used data for both powders interchangeably and gotten the same results. I've still got some pound cans of WAP, plus two 4 pound bottles of Silhouette, and it doesn't seem to matter which can or bottle I take the powder from, they both produce the same in the 9x23 Winchester I'm loading them in.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[kcofohio]

I see as being under HS-6, as in power, and about par with CFE-P. I think it has a slight edge over AA5. I really like Silhouette. I have used it regularly with 9mm.

Well, we have a heat wave coming here for Monday. They expect it to get into the 30s.

 

[Walkalong]

Ramshot shows if a being slower than #2 and faster than #5

It's a good bit slower than #2 in 9MM, regardless of what the chart shows.

 

[Toprudder]

I just took a look at my chrono data to compare. Silhouette seems to be close to CFE-P. Red Dot is much faster, AA#5 is slower. Power Pistol is just a little faster.

In looking at the burn rate chart on the Winchester website, AA#5 seems to be out of place, at least according to my results. It should be listed slower than it is.

In looking at the Ramshot chart, Power Pistol should be listed faster than it is.

 

[ATLDave]

I've used some. Without any specific testing, I would put it in between AA#5* and HS-6 in terms of speed and bulk. It has a fairly effective flash suppressant. And it burns pretty cleanly at less-than-max pressures.

* Now looking at Accurate's load data, I see that they have it presented as faster than #5, and with lower charge weights. Since they are the seller of both of these powders, I'd go with that!

 

[Artofgolf]

Picked up some the other day to try, first time with this powder...Just curious to hear from people who have used it before where they would place it...

DD, I've used it for several years and I think it's a great choice. I would place it between N-330 and N-340 (VV) for the burn rate; I think Walkalong"s comment ~ "It's a good bit slower than #2 in 9MM, regardless of what the chart shows." - Yep, that's about right AoG

...Hope all of you up North and back East are not frozen, , weather maps show it being chilly in that part of the country. Thanks in advance.

All morning digging-out from the blizzard ~ I'm gettin' too old for this schizza
Never seen it this COLD here; 15 degrees & wind chill of -2
They can take this bomb-cyclone and stick it where the sun don't shine!

 

[Dudedog]

Thanks everybody I appreciate it. Looking at charge weights I was guessing closer to BE86 and CFE-P than #2
When I said I had load data I should have said I have book data but would always appreciate more, if you have something that
worked well for you. Of course chrono data is always helpful. I can always use more data.

9mm will be the primary use, but will probably try some in .45 (generally like HP38 speed powders for .45 practice loads) and possibly .38/.357 and .380.

 

[Walkalong]

Some Silhouette results.

Speer 124 Gr Gold Dot @ 1.120 to 1.125 OAL. Mixed 9MM brass. 5.5 Grs Silhouette. WSP primer.

3" EMP = Avg 996 FPS
5" S&W 1911 = Avg 1130 FPS
16" AR = 1210 FPS

Speer 124 Gr Gold Dot @ 1.115 to 1.120 OAL. Mixed 9MM brass. 5.7 Grs Silhouette. WSP primer. +P

3" EMP = Avg 1064 FPS
5" S&W 1911 = Avg 1202 FPS
16" AR = 1263 FPS

Shot very well.

RMR In House (MPR) 124 Gr JHP @ 1.070 to 1.075 OAL. Mixed 9MM brass. 5.5 Grs Silhouette. CCI 500 primer.

3" Shield = 1021 FPS
5" Colt 1911 = 1157 FPS
16" AR = 1179 FPS

Very accurate. (Four Star Load # 116)

 

[Ghost In The Fog]

Thanks everybody I appreciate it. Looking at charge weights I was guessing closer to BE86 .

Hello friend- I have not been on here in quite a while and just read your post. I have a Excel spreadsheet of Silhouette and BE86 using the RMR 125 JHP I would be happy to email you.
I think Silhouette is a great shooting powder for the 9MM.
I had to get Silhouette to the higher end of the published load data to get the speeds I was looking for and switched to BE86 using middle range load data to get to the higher velocity.
PM or text me your email and I will be glad to share the spreadsheet with you.

 

[Walkalong]

I had to get Silhouette to the higher end of the published load data to get the speeds I was looking for and switched to BE86 using middle range load data to get to the higher velocity.

I have shot both in 9MM, but have not shot BE-86 and Silhouette directly against each other in 9MM, but did recently in .40. It takes a little more Silhouette to get there than BE-86.

I think Silhouette is a great shooting powder for the 9MM.

Me too. But BE-86 is no slouch.

 

[Ghost In The Fog]

Me too. But BE-86 is no slouch.

I hope it didn't come across that way.
I absolutely agree. I very much like BE86. Silhouette just "feels better" is all. I have 1,400 RMR's 124 Gr. JHP loaded and ready to go. I am very pleased with them not only in accuracy but also in my very limited expansion tests in water jugs. They perform excellent.

 

[Walkalong]

I hope it didn't come across that way.

It did not.

 

[Walkalong]

Silhouette just "feels better" is all.

That was also my, take/feel/I also noticed this, from shooting them both back to back as I shot them at each power level working up to the 6.0 of BE-86 and 6.1 of Silhouette level in .40 with a 180 Gr bullet that I posted about. "Smoother".

 

[kidneyboy]

4.6 grains of Silhouette behind an Acme 124gr coated in 9mm loaded short, 1.060, is very accurate in my G34 w/ S3F barrel. Not so much in the stock G19.
Agree on the smoother feel too. My back to back comparison is with the same bullet and W231 powder.

 

[LocoGringo]

I don't have NEAR the experience that these guys do, but I had to come up with a ballpark load since the bullet I'm using didn't really fit any published load data.

I'm using:
135 grain Black Bullets International 9mm bullet
5.1 grains Silhouette
mixed brass
Wolf primer

I originally settled on 5.2 grains but thought that might be pushing things a bit, so I backed off to 5.1 grains after consulting with Walkalong and several others. I'm shooting a STI Marauder and Springfield XDm (backup pistol) for 3-gun. My load is a hard hitter for steel rather than a powder puff load, however, recoil is not bad.

The velocity of the 135 gr at 5.2 grains of powder was right around 1100. I haven't chronographed the 5.1 grain load yet, but it's been a solid performer.

 

[Dudedog]

Thanks guys, I appreciate it.