CoalCrackerAl
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Yes for all nuts. The O ring is under them though. VS embedded into the nut like Lee.
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CQB45ACP
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Huh. I guess I just can’t get used to not really cranking them down tight. That destroys and negates the O rings purpose of course.
Soonerpesek
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It has already been stated here (from a very educated/experienced member) that everything has flex whether measurable or not.........
So NO physics are being ignored.
If everything has flex-----and the flex is the same-----well.......................................even science can figure that one out................
I'd say it's pretty poor form to regurgitate what others have already stated and try to claim the fame.......
Soonerpesek
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The Lyman All-American is a solid press.
I have one set up for sizing only, you could set it up with 8 dies.
I would say that if you think a turret would benefit your process, they are all pretty solid, find a good price and pull the trigger.......
GW Staar
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My post on page one had nothing to do with flex or concentricity.
As was pointed out ALL presses have some in common. Progressives, even Dillons flex too....and you have to be careful to fully "populate" a tool head or you get more "tilt" than you want. I doubt any of the turrets are bad presses. The RCBS is lighter than the green or orange giants, and the Lee is a bit light too, but at least the Lee seems to be supported around the perimeter to help make up for it. That said, most likely, all of them work well enough to make good ammo.
My objection to turrets is the work. Same work as a single....but maybe a little faster to the next operation. But then Lee and Hornady have quick change die systems that work too. That said, how hard it it really, to unscrew and screw in a die that's already set with a set screw nut. For me it was the # of handle strokes and my tireder body, that made me buy progressives....flex had nothing to do with it.
Flex and concentricity has been worked around pretty effectively for 50 years...longer for others. I remember back when I started with a brand new Rock Chucker I, that I was told to loosen the shell holder spring so it could move and center itself, so the press stroke could line up the case with the die, and not to hurry the stroke and force it into it such that it changed the geometry of the case.
As was pointed out ALL presses have some in common. Progressives, even Dillons flex too....and you have to be careful to fully "populate" a tool head or you get more "tilt" than you want. I doubt any of the turrets are bad presses. The RCBS is lighter than the green or orange giants, and the Lee is a bit light too, but at least the Lee seems to be supported around the perimeter to help make up for it. That said, most likely, all of them work well enough to make good ammo.
My objection to turrets is the work. Same work as a single....but maybe a little faster to the next operation. But then Lee and Hornady have quick change die systems that work too. That said, how hard it it really, to unscrew and screw in a die that's already set with a set screw nut. For me it was the # of handle strokes and my tireder body, that made me buy progressives....flex had nothing to do with it.
Flex and concentricity has been worked around pretty effectively for 50 years...longer for others. I remember back when I started with a brand new Rock Chucker I, that I was told to loosen the shell holder spring so it could move and center itself, so the press stroke could line up the case with the die, and not to hurry the stroke and force it into it such that it changed the geometry of the case.
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CQB45ACP
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That’s why they make a variety of types of presses.
Varminterror
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This is blatantly personal. Grow up.
I never claimed any fame - there’s no fame to be had by trying to offer scientific reasoning and known mechanical attributes to those unwilling to hear them. You appear to be projecting insecurities here - there’s nothing to be won here, you’re simply looking to beat your face against whatever wall you can find. Turrets tilt, presses flex. Magnitude and direction also matter - but you’ll ignore that as well.
No, I’m not going to start a YouTube channel just to put dial indicators in front of deaf ears and blind eyes. I HAD a blog - before we even called them blogs, and have managed content for multiple channels over the years, and it’s this kind of willing ignorance which turns me off from it. Good information was given, but some folks insist the world is flat, so it was refused… not my circus, not my monkeys, so there’s no sense in wrestling with pigs. @jmorris (among dozens of other folks who have done the same online for decades) offered evidence that your position is incorrect - go wrestle a pig somewhere else.
Soonerpesek
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@jmorris was the member I was talking about who stated everything has flex.........His work sorta proved my statement about flex being a constant force that is rather easily dealt with........
No pigs to wrestle here...................just a pesky varmint................
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If you measure your days in ram strokes rather than hours, this absolutely makes sense. Recognizing, this also requires specific process adoption to actually be able to utilize the reduced stroke ratio of a progressive press. If you’re decapping, cleaning, sizing, expanding, trimming, priming off press, charging with a dispenser, then seating, there become a lot of empty stations in a progressive and the ram stroke ratio falls apart.
But progressive presses DO have options for automation which aren’t available on turrets or single stage presses. How well one can realize that automation varies.
But since most clocks measure in minutes and hours, and because the the ram stroke ratio of turrets rarely matters. For rifle loading, I actually often crank 2:1 for every sizing and expanding step, plus 3 more strokes per finished cartridge on additional presses - 7 total strokes per finished round. And loading in the batches I load, I can cut HOURS out of my month by avoiding hand movement of cases in and out of the press over a single stage, and not actually reduce my process time on a progressive - the process is the same time, just less ram strokes. For revolver and pistol loading, and some of my 223 loading, I bang away on progressives and live happy - but it’s not the same quality of ammo, naturally.
CQB45ACP
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whats your monthly reloading volume? Just trying to see what you think is a lot of work. Mine’s 500-1000
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rdnktrkr
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I have an old 3 hole Lee I use to decap size and trim, then after another cleaning I use a decapping die to make sure flash hole is clear, prime, powder drop, seat and crimp on a Lee 4 hole turret. I feel with a case kicker to kick off the loaded round I safe time over using a single stage. I know the Lee flexes but by sizing my rifle rounds twice I feel the flex is about the same each time.
I found all my presses used and got good prices. Also with Midways birthday prices Lee turrets are around $10, I bought 5 last year and will probably do that again this year.
I found all my presses used and got good prices. Also with Midways birthday prices Lee turrets are around $10, I bought 5 last year and will probably do that again this year.
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