svtruth
Member
There seems to be a law that toy guns must have orange muzzles. Is there a corresponding law that real guns cannot have orange muzzles?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Real vs Toy Guns
- Thread starter svtruth
- Start date
- Status
rcmodel
Member in memoriam
No, not in most places.
Maybe there should be?
I could see it as a bad thing, especially if I was a cop and had to make an instant decision to shoot or not shoot.
See this for a funny read:
http://www.doobybrain.com/2008/03/23/the-bloomberg-collection-real-guns-painted-to-look-like-toys/
rc
Maybe there should be?
I could see it as a bad thing, especially if I was a cop and had to make an instant decision to shoot or not shoot.
See this for a funny read:
http://www.doobybrain.com/2008/03/23/the-bloomberg-collection-real-guns-painted-to-look-like-toys/
rc
gordy
Member
That is just what we need is one more stupid gun law.
Then it should be a law that you can not make your kids a wooden gun.
Gun permits for a rubber band gun, You can buy them at gander mountain.
That can lead to trouble so there should be no more rubber band guns.
How about that you need a permit to own a bb gun, or you need to take a test to own that bb gun.
Maybe you should have to outlaw the importation of bb guns.
Just one more law will keep everyone safe, I know that will work.
Then it should be a law that you can not make your kids a wooden gun.
Gun permits for a rubber band gun, You can buy them at gander mountain.
That can lead to trouble so there should be no more rubber band guns.
How about that you need a permit to own a bb gun, or you need to take a test to own that bb gun.
Maybe you should have to outlaw the importation of bb guns.
Just one more law will keep everyone safe, I know that will work.
It was just a feel good law.
An orange tip on a gun won't get you any slack if you point it at someone in a threatening manner...it might complicate the following civil suit
An orange tip on a gun won't get you any slack if you point it at someone in a threatening manner...it might complicate the following civil suit
tyeo098
Member
The orange muzzle is also only for import.
Once here you can take it off and/or install a black one.
Once here you can take it off and/or install a black one.
Aren't most of them?
In 28 years in LE, I never enforced a feel good law...it just went against my ethics
mgmorden
Member
Good to know, else I would have broken the law for Halloween. I needed a toy gun as part of a costume for a party but the orange tip bugged me to no end, so I had spray painted it black.
Its getting ridiculous though. I was just in Walmart and saw some more toy guns and not only was the tip of the gun orange, everything that would have been metal was blaze orange, with the parts that would have been wooden being colored white. It can't really be that hard to tell a real gun from a fake one.
Ash_J_Williams
member
- Joined
- Sep 20, 2011
- Messages
- 328
Actually, I have a few friends who are into airsoft. They were on campus (they're all students, short of one) going to carpool to go play airsoft. They were sitting around with their airsofts in the car waiting for someone to show up, and one of the guys pointed an airsoft gun at another of his friends. They were more or less alone in the parking lot, so it wasn't an issue is point it at a stranger or acting like an idiot, but someone happened to see. They called the police, who immediately showed up en masse and surrounded their vehicles. Guns drawn, they held them and searched the cars, claiming they were looking for ANY airsoft weapons that didn't have orange tips. They were hoping they could ticket them heavily for finding one, or even potentially expel them for having them if they found them (they were very forward with their intentions, and threatening). They didn't find any, and simply made them leave campus, but the point being, they were dead set of taking legal action if any of the weapons didn't have orange tips.
Tallinar
Member
My son will be have an orange-tipped toy Kentucky longrifle-ish gun slung on his back when he dresses as a frontiersman at our fall festival this week.
If a 3 year old with a coon-skin hat and a toy rifle looks like a threat, I guess I can expect trouble.
If a 3 year old with a coon-skin hat and a toy rifle looks like a threat, I guess I can expect trouble.
Ash_J_Williams
member
- Joined
- Sep 20, 2011
- Messages
- 328
Considering the number of incidents involving children with toy guys being shot, or at least mistaken for dangerous gun-wielding criminals and held for however long, and some personal incidents among friends and myself (my car was once searched in a park and I had a toy gun in my trunk from a Halloween costume, at which point I was held at gunpoint by an officer), apparently it's pretty tough for the average LEO to tell the difference.
Justin
Moderator Emeritus
The orange tip law was passed in the wake of a handful of incidents in which cops inadvertently shot kids who had toy guns that looked realistic.
This was back in the mid-late 1980s.
This was back in the mid-late 1980s.
mgmorden
Member
That actually kinda strike me as odd that they'd do that. I know it's not one of the holy "4 rules", but one thing that my dad always made me do as a kid was treat even my toy guns as if they were a loaded weapon. If I pointed a toy gun at anyone I would have it in for me. I know there's no technical danger in pointing a toy gun (though "I didn't think it was real" is very close to the same fallacy as "I didn't think it was loaded"), but I think teaching kids to respect and be careful with ALL guns - even fake ones - does a lot to reinforce gun safety.
Justin
Moderator Emeritus
Eh, as a kid, I used to run around with my friends playing "war." We pointed toy guns at each other with wreckless abandon and all turned out ok.
The orange tip law is an attempt to defuse what should be a behavioral issue, e.g. don't do airsoft skirmishing in places where you're likely to get mistaken for people running around with real guns, and if the cops show up, don't point your toy gun at them.
The orange tip law is an attempt to defuse what should be a behavioral issue, e.g. don't do airsoft skirmishing in places where you're likely to get mistaken for people running around with real guns, and if the cops show up, don't point your toy gun at them.
Ash_J_Williams
member
- Joined
- Sep 20, 2011
- Messages
- 328
Keep in mind, these are airsoft guns. They're used in airsoft tournaments and games, like paintball guns except the games can be played in everyday clothing and, with most of the guns, they wouldn't hurt that much if shot even in close proximity. What I mean is, they're MADE to be pointed at people. And these are college-aged adults, not small kids who might not be able to discern the difference between the way you handle a toy and the way you handle a firearm (or don't when unsupervised).
redraidermgr
Member
At the university I work at that wouldn't even fly. It is "against school policy" for a student to display or brandish in a menacing manner any firearm or item that looks like a firearm. Basically a water pistol could get you expelled or in disciplinary actions if it was used in a threatening (or irresponsible) manner as described above.
Usually the campus police (state hired LEOs) are really cool about it even flat out ignoring nerf guns etc during the "zombie tag" week in which students are being chased by Zombies and everyone else arms themselves with nerf weapons to defend themselves or be tagged as a zombie who must tag other humans (scraps of paper no biting or scratching). But it is still a state university and any legitimate call of someone with a gun or weapon will put officers on the offensive and when they are on the offensive they will charge you (or write you up to the university) with anything that they can to make sure they don't get that call again.
- Status
