Reasonable estimate of velocity loss?

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Kurt S.

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Does anybody know of any ballistics software, an Excel spreadsheet, a plugin formula or even a rule of thumb for estimating velocity loss of a projectile?

I'd like to be able to figure out how much velocity I'm going to lose from published figures, usually on 4, 6 or 8 inch barrels, when I fire the same load from a snub revolver or a short barreled semiauto.

Buying a chronograph is not in my near future, sorry about that.

Thanks in advance, y'all!
 
At least in revolvers, it can vary because of the differences in cylinder gap. I would think that autoloaders would be more predictable.
 
Actually their is a general rule of thumb. For every inch of barrel you cut on the average you lose about 50 f.p.s.. This is an average since some barrels are "faster" than others. Most of the velocities you read for .38 loads is nearly universally out of a 4" barrel.
You can get a pretty good guess from he above 50 f.p.s. per inch +/-.
 
Within certain minimums and maximums, the 50 fps/inch rule of thumb also seems to hold for .308 and .45 acp, but does not appear to hold for .223

ymmv
 
No rule of thumb is going to account for such as .357 loaded max with slow powders like 296 that will be more negatively affected than a 9mm loaded with fast powder like bullseye or 231. A chronograph is the only way and Shooting Chrony chronographs are so dirt cheap, I can't see why a handloader wouldn't get one or even a serious shooter that doesn't handload.

Before the Chrony, there was Ohler. Now, I'd love to have an Ohler, but they're expensive. Pact chronographs are a couple hundred, but the cheapest Shooting Chrony is all you need to get accurate velocities. Gonna break mine out soon to test some .38 handloads. I bought this thing 20 years ago when I first saw it in Gander Mountain. Didn't know if it'd lived up to the advertising hype, but it sure has! It'll probably work forever so long as I don't shoot it.:uhoh: I think I gave 60 bucks for it and they ain't much more'n that now.
 
Thanks y'all!

As an amateur Junior Rocket Scientist and long-time self-professed Natural Philosopher, I thought that some other curious (but not as lazy) kindred soul might have taken and put together some of the laws of physics to come up with an answer to my question.

The consensus seems to be that there's just to many (nonlinear) variables in the mix to provide the answer.

One of these days, I'll have to break down and get me a chronograph, but as I haven't even had much time to shoot in the last year or so, it's going to have to wait. Just like learning how to handload- I have the bench, dies, brass, etc but don't have time to learn and test.

And MCGunner:
Shooting Chrony chronographs are so dirt cheap, I can't see why a handloader wouldn't get one or even a serious shooter that doesn't handload.
You wound me, sir! I been accused of not being serious by many people in my life about many different things, and regard the accusations as unfair. You sir, are now among this list: a few ex-wives; several US Navy Chief Petty Officers; many ex-bosses; a host of former teachers and professors including the Dean of Sciences at Sul Ross State who many years ago accused me of not being serious about a university education and proved his point by pouring a Lone Star on my head.

Kurt
 
Didn't mean to step on any rubber tails. :D

Interior ballistics, or what goes on inside the chamber at firing until the bullet leaves, is a very complicated subject involving mathematics for which I'm not all that serious about. :D It's somewhat a black science even to the experts at the major cartridge companies. Terminal ballistics is much the same and continually argued about by people from different scientific disciplines.

The only field of ballistics that isn't THAT difficult for me is exterior ballistics for which the above links refer. This, of course, simply involves what happens to the bullet from the time it leaves the barrel until it hits the target. Calculations are long winded differential equations, but I got hold of the derived formulas some 25 years ago from an article in "Rifle" magazine by a New Mexico State PhD in mathematics and wrote my own BASIC program to run on, first, my Timex Sinclair toy computer and later a "high tech" Tandy Color 3 which has a whoppin' 128K ram. :rolleyes: :D Seein' as I'm no Einstein, that speaks to the simplicity of exterior ballistics modeling, but interior ballistics has many more variables that are much harder to measure and model and I don't know that there is any computer model written even today that a moron like me could use for any useful purpose. It's a heck of a lot easier just to go to the range and shoot the freakin' load over the Chrony, and besides, it's more fun.:D

If there have been advancements in the art of modeling interior ballistics, there's probably someone here a lot smarter than me that could bring us up to date. It's something I'd thought about for about 10 minutes until I began to realize the futility of trying to understand it. :D
 
The rule of thumb that has worked best for me has been simple:
Vel. change is about the same as the percentage differnce in barrel change.

This kind of covers the 2" differnce in going from 18 to 20" (a higher percentage) vs. going from a 26" to a 28" (same 2", but a lower percentage). In pistols, it covers the 1" differnce betwen a 2" and 3" barrel better (such a large percentage change).
 
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