Reloaders guide

[Stew0576]

Alliant guide free, i chose to have it mailed to me but you can download a pdf if you want

http://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/catalog.aspx

 

[troy fairweather]

Alliant guide free, i chose to have it mailed to me but you can download a pdf if you want

http://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/catalog.aspx

thanks for posting this can never have to much data i see your in the southern tier of ny im in orange county my self.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

I received mine last month.
It’s not bad but not extensive. Basically a good book to have if you use Allianz powders as its free. But it’s not the main guide that I use or would recommend.

 

[sparkyv]

Thanks for the link Stew.

 

[frankmako]

You can never have to much information when it comes to reloading. I still go back to check data in the books that I got in 72 when I first started reloading.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I received mine last month.
It’s not bad but not extensive. Basically a good book to have if you use Allianz powders as its free. But it’s not the main guide that I use or would recommend.

I'm sure it was never meant to be a loaders main and only source of data. All that book is, is the printed version of the online data. They even cover the shipping so IMO a thank you would be better than complaining it's not a $30 Retail manual.

 

[Toprudder]

One problem I have with their printed data is that it leaves out some information, like barrel length used for velocity. If you are looking at the velocity data as a criteria for selecting powder, it can throw you a curve. For instance, some of the 357mag data was collected using 6" barrel, others used a 10" barrel. If you go to the website for the data, it lists the barrel lengths.

 

[ray15]

I like Alliant powders, but their load data is inadequate from my view, even on the website.



Looking at BE86 38 special +p loads, they just list bullets used by weight and 'JHP'. This is ironic as I emailed them to ask for some Sport Pistol 38 data for plated or jacketed bullets. The would not even confirm if they have tested any because they had not tested the exact xtreme bullet I intended to use. I asked them how releasing any data they had would be worse than what's on their website, which doesn't always make it clear which projectile was used and therefore reloaders using that data can't be sure they are using the tested projectiles. Pressures would be great too.

 

[Stew0576]

I don't see the problem, even if they listed the the make of the bullet you still have to reduce by 10% and do a load work up, seems to what matters is basic bullet design, powder charge, oal, primer, and idea of resulting velocity, even if they said hornady xtp and that was the bullet i was using i would still do my own work up.

 

[TigerCreek]

Alliant guide free, i chose to have it mailed to me but you can download a pdf if you want

http://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/catalog.aspx

Thanks for the link.

 

[ray15]

I don't see the problem, even if they listed the the make of the bullet you still have to reduce by 10% and do a load work up, seems to what matters is basic bullet design, powder charge, oal, primer, and idea of resulting velocity, even if they said hornady xtp and that was the bullet i was using i would still do my own work up.

The problem is you don't know what max really is for your bullet, and thus don't know what 10% less than that is. This is problematic because not all JHPs, plated bullets or cast lead ones are created equal. If you compare, say, Nosler JHPs to Hornady XTPs, there can be a 10% difference in the actual max charge for some powders. If you're using Nosler data and you reduce by 10%, you may well be starting at the actual max charge for an XTP.

Of lesser concern is that you don't know where your work-up must stop. This can be limiting in itself depending on your goals for the load.

 

[thomas15]

Every day is Christmas!

 

[Stew0576]

Understood, i was assuming the listed charge to be considered max, also assumed jhp's to be similar in a given weight so figured reduce 10% and keep an eye open for pressure signs

 

[ray15]

Understood, i was assuming the listed charge to be considered max, also assumed jhp's to be similar in a given weight so figured reduce 10% and keep an eye open for pressure signs

This is the best you can do in the face of incomplete load data. And often we choose to use a different bullet that the load data uses for other reasons. But leaving the loader in a position where they don't know which condition they are loading under is in my opinion a significant and avoidable limitation to the Alliant data.

 

[ray15]

This is an excerpt from a reply I received from Alliant:

"No matter what these companies state, we don't agree in their statements on loading a plated bullet using lead load data. Load data is developed for and specific to the bullet, not the propellants. Each bullet manufacturer, the major bullet manufactures all state, as does Alliant, that the load data is specific to their bullets and theirs alone (Alliant states the data is component specific) and to not use the data on other bullets. The reasons for this is each bullet company makes theirs in design and construction in differing manners. These differences lead to different pressures when the round is fired. Even the Speer bullets for 45 Auto in 230 grain, three of them, all require different load data for each."

Regardless of the chances you feel comfortable in taking in loading 'off the book', I can't see how one can observe the above Alliant recommendation when half of their load data shows an unspecified bullet.

 

[fotheringill]

Thank you for the link.

 

[Toprudder]

Two relevant things I want to add. First, if you have any questions about the Alliant data, go look at the Speer data. Alliant actually works up the data for Speer. If you find identical numbers in the Speer data, then the non-specific bullet listed by Alliant was actually a Speer bullet.

The would not even confirm if they have tested any because they had not tested the exact xtreme bullet I intended to use.

If you call Xtreme and ask them about load data, they will refer you to the Speer data for the TMJ bullets (the Speer TMJ are just thick plated bullets). I have found the data to be very close to the results I get.

Lastly, this thread reminds me why I consult as many sources for load data as possible before I start working up a new load.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Thanks for posting.
Much easier to use than Alliant's web site data.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

I'm sure it was never meant to be a loaders main and only source of data. All that book is, is the printed version of the online data. They even cover the shipping so IMO a thank you would be better than complaining it's not a $30 Retail manual.

I wasn’t complaining
Just making clear what it is so folks don’t assume, it’s more than that.