Reloading question relative to brass...

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This is a two part question: One part requires verification and the other requires real world experience vs published recommendations.

I pulled out my 49th edition of the Lyman Reloading Manual trying to figure out how long brass must be before trimming it. I could not find an answer, but my guess is that if, for example, a .270 round is illustrated in the diagram as being 2.54", and the Trim-to-length value is 2.53", that the case should be 2.54" or less, and once it exceeds 2.54", one should trim the case, and it should be trimmed to 2.53". Is this correct?

While researching this, however, I noted the following, on page 22: CAUTION (this being in bright orange letters): Never load cartridge cases from an unknown source, i.e. cases picked up at the range or sold as once-fired brass. Use only brand new brass or cases obtained as a result of firing factory ammo in your firearm.

How literally should this be taken? If the caution is in bright orange lettering, it would seem to be important, but is this only put in there to guard against a lawsuit? Spent rounds do not remain in the spent rounds bucket at the range for long, and I have reloaded fired brass from an unknown source many times with no ill effect. I inspect the cases and if there are no splits or other defects, it seems that it would be okay to reload. I was given 80 .270 cases from a friend, and three of the four boxes contained a bar code, so, if this should not be a problem (e.g., the question above), I would think that anything with a barcode dates to 15 yrs ago or less. The fourth box did not have a barcode and had reloading information on it dated 1982. Rounds look okay, but would they perhaps be too brittle to consider reloading after 33 years?
 
Not at all literally on what brass to use. You should inspect cases for damage whether they are from your gun or an unknown every time before loading. Look for bulges, cracks, and primer issues indicating overpressure, and on bottlenecks look for case head seperation. As for length, I have never trimmed a case of any type. I have some .270 that need it but they are losing neck tension quickly so they likely aren't worth the trouble. Several thousand rounds of 38spl, 357 mag, 270, 44 mag, 30-30 etc let me know this method works.

As for age, brass doesn't have an expiration date. The biggest issue for brass is ammonia as it makes brass brittle causing it to crack more quickly than it should.
 
The standard trim to length is .010 under max. This can be researched through several reloading references.
If you have commercial brass for your .270, it can all be reloaded. Once you size it correctly, try it in your chamber to make certain before you load it. Most of us will use range pick up, especially if it is factory loaded. That warning is meant for some of the NATO rounds that might have been fired from a machine gun. MG's have large chambers and I do not recommend using brass shot out of one. Also, some used brass is questionable as far as how many firings and how hot it was loaded. The primer pockets usually get loose with a lot of firings and/or hot loads. If you seat primers by hand, you can feel the primer pocket and discard any that are too loose.
 
I hope it's CYA language!
Or I'm in a heap a trouble boy!

I have used range brass of unknown origin forever.

All you need to do is a visual inspection.
Look for obvious high pressure signs, (blown primers, case head flowed into the ejector hole in the bolt case, cracked necks, or corrosion.)

In bottle-neck rifle cases, do an internal inspection with an L-bent wire feeler for stretch rings.

Finding nothing?
Doesn't matter where it came from.

Age within reason has nothing much to do with brittleness.
I am still reloading .223, .308, .38 Spl, and .45 brass I packed off from the Army in the 1960's.

It's still as good as the day it was made.

Brittleness was more common years ago when mercuric primers were still in use.

Anyway, inspect them as I outlined.
Then If you don't get cracked necks during sizing & expanding?

Choot'm!

rc
 
brass becomes less brittle with age. not much, but it heads that way over time.

murf
 
It is very important to trim your brass if it is over the specified length. Point in fact the .223 spec is a max of 2.260. In some of my AR's 2.261 will not chamber. I learned that when I first started reloading some 20 years ago. I always trim my brass to min length. As far as range brass goes I've picked up as much as people leave there.
 
Trim-to-length value is 2.53

They really need to quit printing this stuff in foreign languages. Is this French or what ?
It is confusing to say the least. Can't imagine how they could get a statement like this by the editors. It can be construed in so many ways. It could be interpreted to mean "never trim brass" , no doubt.

CAUTION (this being in bright orange letters): Never load cartridge cases from an unknown source, i.e. cases picked up at the range or sold as once-fired brass. Use only brand new brass or cases obtained as a result of firing factory ammo in your firearm.


As you can see, both of these quotes are quite vague and can be interpreted in many ways. Especially the caution in bright orange letters. The word "never"
could be construed to mean "always" by many. The word "unknown " could be interpreted to mean " known" by others. The terms "use only" could be construed to mean "never use" by some.

The "orange caution" in this case could be construed by many to mean nothing
at all or possibly just a "typo". Which could mean to some that all "orange cautions" in load books should be disregarded. Of course this could be interpreted by many that even the integrity of the load data could be in doubt. What does the "max load" really mean anyway ? In which case I'm even more puzzled now than I was at the start of this response.

So I guess the bottom line is Lyman should be contacted and given a chance to
clarify or retract those statements so we can clear this whole deal up. So we may take this upon ourselves to contact Lyman this coming week. Are there any other vague statements that have been noticed in their manuals that we should pass along to them ? OYE
 
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Tens of thousands of reloaded range pick-up brass. Sure, you get the occasional weird one or cracked case but eyeball them and continue.
 
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