Remington 700 vs. Remington Seven rifles

[petej]

What are the pros and cons of each in 308 cal.?

Obviously the Seven rifles are lighter and more handy with the 20 inch barrels vs. the 24 inch of the 700, but what are you losing? Accuracy, velocity, etc.?

Thinking about getting a nice bolt action thinking about the two above. I would put my Leupold 4x12 on it and would mostly be target shooting 100 to 200 yards. Have no ambition, or place to do it around here for that matter, to be shooting prairie dogs at 500+ yards away.

Also, if I stay in the 200 yard range is the CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39 (18.5 inch barrel) be a poor choice? Sitting on a boat load of wolf right now.

 

[NateG]

Okay, speaking as someone who hasn't actually fired a 527, just drooled all over it in the store... I doubt you could go wrong with a CZ rifle. They sure have figured out the 452 (which I do own).

Someone else might be able to tell you what kind of accuracy you could expect with the 527. My guess is that you're going to be limited by the quality of ammo you can find unless you handload. That being said, out to a couple hundred yards, you could do a lot worse than the CZ, and probably not all that much better.

But, take my advice with a grain of salt, I'm an unabashed fan of the CZ rifles.

 

[brandyspaw]

I have both and if you're going with the 308 I would prefer the lighter, handier
feel of the Model 7. I think the M700 is much better suited for the long
actions needed for calibers such as 30/06, 7mm mag, etc.

But for the 308 the Model 7 is a much livelier handling gun. I wouldn't worry much about the velocity loss as the newer M7's are 20 inch and will still do most everything you can expect from a 308.

 

[GooseGestapo]

I've owned both Rem 700's, and m7's.

I still have the two m7's. (.223 and 7mm-08)

There is no real difference in accuracybetween 700's and m7's, both are mediocre out of the box. Mine have been glass bedded and triggers tweaked, and with correct loads will shoot sub-1" at 100yds for 3 shots, but seldom 5 shots.

I prefer the shorter rifles (m7's) for handiness, such as in conifines of shooting houses, and deer stands, and the design of the factory stocks.

A .260, 7mm-08 or .308 will far exceed the performance of the little CZ in 7.62x39. I have nothing against the rifle but the cartridge/chambering in the CZ will leave you disgusted. Most are quite inaccurate with over the counter ammo. 4-5" groups at 100yds are the norm. The .223 would actually be a better choice, Given the "menu". I've had excellent success with the .223 on deer, but many chill at the idea because they don't have the hunting opportunity. (I can "legally" kill as many deer as I care too- retired, access to near unlimited opportunity in two adjacent states with high deer populations and liberal limits; ie: 2 a day in Al, and 12 per year in GA, all of which can be killed in a DAY! if you are so inclined). I have also killed deer with the 7.62x39 but there is really no significant difference in killing power between it and a .223 with heavier bullets. Accuracy much favors the .223.

I prefer either a Marlin in .30/30 or .35Rem, or my m7 in 7mm-08 to all other rifles I've had/owned for deer or black bear hunting. Satisfaction while hunting has more to do with the total experience and the above rifles/cartridges have given me the best "total experience".

If you've ever had to drag out more than one deer at a time, a "LOOOONGGG" way, you'll appreciate a light-compact rifle hanging across your back, that dosen't grab every limb or vine you pass, but one with enough accuracy and power to reach across a ridgeline and whack that trophy of a lifetime.

The m7 in the above listed calibers qualifies.

 

[pete f]

I own both, the model 7 is a 20 in barrel, the 700 adl synthetic is a 22 incher. I have yet to find the difference in handling.


I actually prefer the 700, just feels better to me. It is only a few ounces more than the 7 and it seems to hold better for me.

That said. I am not a small guy and my son likes the model 7 better as he says it fits him better, I know that some who do a lot of tree stand hunting prefer the 7 for that reason.


IF you are ever going to use the rifle as a platform for a lot of custom work, there is a little more available to feed the 700 dreams than a 7 but that is not a big deal.


As for Out of the box accuracy. I have a lot of 700's and the worst one ever was a used .270 that shot 1.25 moa with good ammo. that is the worst. all of the others will go under an inch. ALL of them. I currently have a .223, 22-250, 6mm, 270, 280, 30-06, 300 win mag and a 8 mm. ALL will go into an inch with the right ammo, most will hang around an inch with what ever I feed it. Maybe not quite as good as a Cooper, but no other brand seems to be as consistent. Savage comes close tho..

 

[KINGMAX]

do you want to sell out of that boat load of anmmo

petej - do you want to sell some of that 7.62 x 39 ammo ????

 

[MyRoad]

It happens that both the CZ527 and the M7 are on the short list I've narrowed my search down to. I'm primarily looking for a deer gun though, and people seem to be divided pretty evenly about whether or not 7.62x39 is an optimal deer caliber. Most seem to agree that more bullet is better, so you can't go wrong with .308

That said, you did not mention hunting, only target shooting. If I were buying this strictly for target shooting, I would lean towards the CZ. Ammo is cheaper and the round has less recoil, making it more comfortable for 'plinking'. I've seen one owner (I think on this forum) post 100 yard targets with sub-1" groups. If people complain about accuracy with ths gun, I would bet it's the milsurp ammo, not the gun.

I've only read good things about the Model Seven, and don't think you can go wrong there. I was looking at the stainless one, myself. Beautiful rifle.