Sheepdog1968
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You can now buy left handed Mossberg 500 pump shotguns. Came out this year.
Remington 870 vs Mossberg 930
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I have shot shotguns will all the various safety placements with no issues. If you have trouble walking and chewing gum, I would invest some time investigating them.
farscott
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I would spend some time shooting each shotgun and decide, based on the shooting, which one works best for you. How the gun fits you is very important to if the gun shoots to where it is pointed and how the recoil is perceived. The best fitting gun, or the gun easiest to get fitted to you, would be my choice.
For me, I have been shooting the Remington 11, 11-48, and 870 long enough to get the guns fitted to me. I also like the Remington crossbolt safety. The advantage of the 870 is the aftermarket parts which allow it to be modified to suit. I am especially fond of the Speedfeed IV-S stock for an HD gun as I find a shorter stock for an HD gun to be advantageous. If that stock is also available for the 930 (I know it is available for the Mossberg 500 as well as for the 870), I would strongly consider that stock.
For me, I have been shooting the Remington 11, 11-48, and 870 long enough to get the guns fitted to me. I also like the Remington crossbolt safety. The advantage of the 870 is the aftermarket parts which allow it to be modified to suit. I am especially fond of the Speedfeed IV-S stock for an HD gun as I find a shorter stock for an HD gun to be advantageous. If that stock is also available for the 930 (I know it is available for the Mossberg 500 as well as for the 870), I would strongly consider that stock.
oneounceload
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In over 30 years of shooting a shotgun, I have yet to use a safety - either the chamber is loaded and I am ready to shoot, or it isn't. Go with the one that fits you the best from the grip, to the LOP, to the stock design......
Kinda at opposite ends of the spectrum, eh?
Kinda at opposite ends of the spectrum, eh?
Ash
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The Garand doesn't have a tang-safety because it cannot possibly work with one. However, the Springfield, Mausers, and Enfields all put their safeties up on the action, away from the trigger guard.
MCgunner
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That works fine at the trap range, but in the field, I chamber a round and make it safe. Duck flying in, kick the safety off and swing on him. Fit is important, of course, but the wonderful thing about repeaters is that they can be fitted. Mossberg even makes a shim kit.
I'm right handed, just left eyed, and taught myself to shoot lefty with my Benjamin .22 pellet rifle at age 8. I even shoot right handed bolt guns because left handed guns would take me a while to figure out and I have right handed rifles I will NOT sell, like my Grandpa's old 722 Remington in .257 Roberts and my old Remington M512X bolt .22. But, I mean, really, I get another round in 'em pretty quick.
The 500's ejection port doesn't bother me nor do any of the other repeaters I own or have owned, all right handers. But, I'd still like to own a Browning BPS, most ambidextrous shotgun made and quite the high quality pump gun IMHO.
I'll pick one up some day, just hate to buy ANOTHER pump. I don't own an O/U. But, then, I don't really NEED one and it's gonna cost a LOT more'n a BPS if I do get one.
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oneounceload
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Ithaca 37 is another one to look for.
I think the BPS has a much more pretty receiver than the 37 (don't care for that odd hump look).
BPS have a little forend rattle, but not to the Mossberg degree of annyoance.
Had an upland 20..........was a nice little rig.
Might have to get me another one.
But I had an 870 Special Field 20 too (couple of them) and they (in 21" form) are my absolute fave.
Just depends on what deal comes along.........I haven't rabbit hunted with a shotgun for a long time. Last outing we took 1911's........but the bunnies didn't cooperate.
BPS have a little forend rattle, but not to the Mossberg degree of annyoance.
Had an upland 20..........was a nice little rig.
Might have to get me another one.
But I had an 870 Special Field 20 too (couple of them) and they (in 21" form) are my absolute fave.
Just depends on what deal comes along.........I haven't rabbit hunted with a shotgun for a long time. Last outing we took 1911's........but the bunnies didn't cooperate.
MCgunner
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BPS has a tang safety. The Ithaca is a crossbolt. Advantage BPS. The Ithaca featherweight is light and quick, though. That Browning is a chunk of steel.
The Ithaca featherweight is light and quick, though. That Browning is a chunk of steel.AI&P Tactical
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Since an HD shotgun is stored without a round in the chamber why would you even have a safety on? Problem is most people do not think in terms of fighting with a shotgun but only in range terms.
oneounceload
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I have never used a safety on any club or range field - never a need - you are either in the station ready to shoot or your gun is open and unloaded. But then, all my guns are like that
Ash
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Doesn't work well when you are in a shooting blind waiting for ducks with a couple of guys.
AI&P Tactical
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In a Duck Blind the chamber is loaded and of course you have the safety engaged. The two guns the OP are of course Combat guns and would never be in a Duck Blind. I am saying this to clarify because some readers may not comprehend completely what they read and will wrongly assume I am saying not to use a safety on a gun.
Ash
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Of course, but it is reckless to fail to point out when safeties are useful and necessary. There are many times a shotgun is carried chambered with safety on.
AI&P Tactical
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Good point Ash but it simply adds one more move to a defense gun when split seconds might count. I am not talking about carrying a load shotgun. I would never carry a load gun with the safety off. I am talking about my Home Defense Shotgun. Mine is in the corner by my bed. What I am about to describe is possible because I live alone and there is no one there who would touch the gun. The chamber is empty at all times. There are two ways to release the action- #1 is to depress the disconnect. The other is to pull the trigger. Since the disconnect is not in an optimal place on an 870 doing #1 takes your hand around the trigger guard. If your safety was on you would then have move back to the grip and and rack a round, then move your finger to depress the safety and then to the trigger if you have to fire. I use #2 as since my chamber is always empty I simply pull the trigger and rack the gun and my finger is right there by the trigger if I need to fire. If I don't need to fire immediately I then engage the safety. It is obvious which method is fastest and that could be critical in a home defense gun. #1 is five moves to fire a round and #2 is two moves to fire a round.
I put this to a test and had a friend help. His 870 was chambered empty with the safety on and mine was chamber empty with the safety off. I did not tell him of my way to disconnect the action. We pick the guns up at the word go and I had fired three rounds before his first round. I used Method #1 and he used Method #2 like everyone else in the world but me.
I would not recommend this to anyone who has another person in the home who may have access to the gun. I would not recommend this to anyone not proficient with pump shotguns either. I would not recommend this to anyone who does not make this a standard drill as I have for more years then many reading this have been alive.
I put this to a test and had a friend help. His 870 was chambered empty with the safety on and mine was chamber empty with the safety off. I did not tell him of my way to disconnect the action. We pick the guns up at the word go and I had fired three rounds before his first round. I used Method #1 and he used Method #2 like everyone else in the world but me.
I would not recommend this to anyone who has another person in the home who may have access to the gun. I would not recommend this to anyone not proficient with pump shotguns either. I would not recommend this to anyone who does not make this a standard drill as I have for more years then many reading this have been alive.
Sheepdog1968
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AI&P's second posting just above mine addressed my comment so I'm deleting mine.
SwampWolf
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A tang safety belongs on a SxS or O/U, not on a pump or auto loader.
You have to alter you grip on the stock operate that thing sitting on of the gun. Pumps and autoloaders need a safety behind the trigger operated by the trigger finger.
BS, total BS.
I agree completely with MCgunner's sentiments. And if not mounted on the tang, one of the best locations is that which is found on the long-discontinued Browning Double-Matic (behind the trigger guard; using the second finger to move the safety up and the index finger to fire). Finally, I much prefer a cross-bolt safety located in the front of the guard as opposed to one mounted to the rear of the guard-much easier to move the index finger from the safety to the trigger and fire in one linear motion than to move the finger from the rear of the guard forward to the safety and then back to fire, imo. However, if one has short fingers, a rear mounted safety might work best.
The location of a safety would never be a "deal breaker" for me but it's something I always consider when deciding between which firearm to buy.
A tang safety belongs on a SxS or O/U, not on a pump or auto loader.
You have to alter you grip on the stock operate that thing sitting on of the gun. Pumps and autoloaders need a safety behind the trigger operated by the trigger finger.
BS, total BS.
I agree completely with MCgunner's sentiments. And if not mounted on the tang, one of the best locations is that which is found on the long-discontinued Browning Double-Matic (behind the trigger guard; using the second finger to move the safety up and the index finger to fire). Finally, I much prefer a cross-bolt safety located in the front of the guard as opposed to one mounted to the rear of the guard-much easier to move the index finger from the safety to the trigger and fire in one linear motion than to move the finger from the rear of the guard forward to the safety and then back to fire, imo. However, if one has short fingers, a rear mounted safety might work best.
The location of a safety would never be a "deal breaker" for me but it's something I always consider when deciding between which firearm to buy.
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