Republican Alternative to Bush - A Proposal

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For the last couple of days, I have been asking for input about possible alternatives to Bush, with the idea of posting a proposal on Tuesday. I just became aware that the last of the opportunities to do this starts on Monday and continues through the following Monday. Therefore, I will tally up the numbers this evening and post my proposal then. Please come back tomorrow ready to discuss this because time is of the essence. Thank you all for participating, including those at whom my rants were aimed.

If you have any suggestions for a Republican for whom you would vote based on their 2A position, please post them on the other thread today. Don't post them here because it will push the proposal down the list. Remember, this will not have any effect on the occupant of the White House next term.

A Republican Alternative to Bush
 
Republican Alternative to Bush - The Proposal

OK. The nominations of the Republican and Democrat parties are wrapped up. The candidates are going to be Bush and Kerry. And the next President of the United States is going to be Bush or Kerry. Therefore, any vote for someone other than Bush is betting your 2A rights that Bush is a sure enough winner to be able to afford the loss of votes that would be taken by the third party. Furthermore, if you guys who were arguing so heatedly for people to vote for Bush are serious and not just running your mouths, get your butts down to your local RNC headquarters and become a volunteer for the Bush campaign.

As I said, and we all know, it's going to be Bush, Kerry, and some third party candidates, and the winner will be either Bush or Kerry. However, while the nominations have been sewn up, there are still five primaries to be held:

Alabama and South Dakota on 6/1
Puerto Rico on 6/6
Montana and New Jersey on 6/8
(Note: I got these from a list of Democrat primaries and am working on the assumption that the Republicans will have them on the same days)

If all of us in those five states write in the the name of the same pro-2A candidate, it might just have some effect on the attitudes of the local Republicans. Consider that the nominations are locked up; there is absolutely no way that they will be changed by those five states, even if every vote went to one write in candidate. Therefore, it seems reasonable to expect that turnout will be very light. Perhaps there are always some write-ins for people's dogs, or spouses or themselves or Howard Stern. These wouldn't even be considered by the local politicos. But, if each of these states got a couple hundred Republican write-ins for the same pro-2A candidate, it would serve notice on the local Republicans who might be, at best, tepid 2A supporters that the shooters are getting restless and active.

Several thousand protest votes for a third party candidate in the primary will not have the same impact as several hundred write-ins for the same person. This is because, to vote for the third party, one must just hit a different lever for a single available candidate. Doing a write-in requires a little more effort and it could be anybody. In order for a large percentage of the write-in vote to go to a single person, there must be some kind of organization. That may just be the "up side the head with a two by four" some of these RINOs need.

So, for whom should we vote?
Out of 103 responses, there were 37 names. These are the people who recieved more than 1 vote:

Last First
Name Name Votes

Paul Ron 16
Rice Condi 14
Craig Larry 6
McClintoc Tom 4
Barr Bob 3
Bush Jeb 3
Miller Zell 3
Ehrlich Robert 2
Musgrave Marilyn 2
Gratia Hupp Suzanna 2
Nugent Ted 2
Actually, Condi Rice received a few more, but there five or six objections based on her Pro Choice stance, so I backed those out. While I like her very much and would vote for her for POTUS, I don't think that we should use her because she is not well identified with a 2A position.

From the comments about Ron Paul, I think he should be the write in candidate. Among his votes, all the comments were that he is solidly pro-2A. However, I must make mention of Suzanna Gratia Hupp. In 1991, after leaving her gun in her car in order to comply with the law, Suzanna watched helplessly as both her parents, along with 21 others were gunned down in a mass shooting at a local restaurant. As a survivor of this tragedy, her impassioned calls for the right of citizens to self-defense have thrust her into the national debate on the right to keep and bear arms. I believe she holds some office as a Republican somewhere and might be worth considering as the write-in person.


OK guys, that's the proposal. The first two of the five primaries are on Monday, part of a three day major holiday weekend which should lower turnout even further. Let's discuss this and decide on one candidate to write in.
 
You're right; you can't be much clearer about that, but...

...that isn't what your average American knows her for. Therefore, the message, "The shooters are restless" would be diluted to "The voters are restless". They would only think they knew why, but they'd be wrong.
 
Sorry, but party rules rule. Write in votes are only tallied in national elections if the person is on the approved list of write in canidates. I thought of doing this at the TX primary but my wife who is an election judge said no can do. Your ballot won't even be counted, it is just tossed.

Long live the two party system!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
 
I am thinking that promoting the idea of more than two parties would be helped tremendously if there was provision for a runoff election. Trying to force a plurality in one go around will naturally discourage having too many choices.

We're facing an inevitable runoff here for Republican US Senate candidate for SC, precisely because there are a number of people on the ballot, and a plurality in the initial primary is unlikely. This narrows the choices that will appear on the general election ballot in November, again setting up the likelihood of their being a clear winner with any sort of mandate, a true representative in the republican government process.

For a Presidential race, a plurality would be needed to firmly guide the State's electoral votes.

Barring a plurality, the Electoral College delegates would be free, either legally or politically, to pick their own favorite.
 
PWK,

if a whole bunch came in for the same person, would anyone notice at all? The idea isn't to get them counted, it's just to make some noise. Or would it just be a tree falling in the woods? Is that just Texas or are all the states that way?
 
I believe that is the national party rule. Your only choice is in TX was Bush or uncommitted. I voted uncommitted but Bush still got 92% of the primary vote state wide.
My wife says they do not even tallly the votes. The write in is just disregarded. Unless a poll official just noticed a bunch of write ins going for one person and then reported that then I don't see how anyone would ever know. But then election laws would probably not allow the reporting of non certified ballots so I don't think any body would know.

Yep, kind of like a tree following in the woods

I am not saying this is right just the way it is.
 
Well, that's the way thing go, I guess.

However, since the nomination will not be changed by anything we do, I think that anyone taking the time to vote in the remaining primaries should write in a pro gun candidate if a write-in is available. If we do, just perhaps maybe someone will notice; if we don't, definitely no one will notice.

I still like Hupp.
 
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