litman252
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Can any of you tell if it is possible to mount the scope in the traditional location as well??? I can't tell if ruger put there mounts on there as well or not.
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Tony
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Tony
Ruger "Frontier" Scout
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fistful
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Must second the call for peep sight and a longer barrel.
The 18 or 20 inch barrel ain't for accuracy or extraordinary range; it's a matter of losing too much velocity and power with such a short barrel.
Peep sights wouldn't just be a back-up, they would give you a choice of sight systems. Adding them aftermarket leaves less money for the scope.
Stripper clip guide, Jaeger? An idea which time has come (again), but let's not hold our breath. Wish they'd make all rifles with clip guides. Or 1911's with clip guides.
The 18 or 20 inch barrel ain't for accuracy or extraordinary range; it's a matter of losing too much velocity and power with such a short barrel.
Peep sights wouldn't just be a back-up, they would give you a choice of sight systems. Adding them aftermarket leaves less money for the scope.
Stripper clip guide, Jaeger? An idea which time has come (again), but let's not hold our breath. Wish they'd make all rifles with clip guides. Or 1911's with clip guides.
Might be good for hunting? I think that was a must.
Ken Farrell makes stripper clip guides for Remingtons. It can't be that much of a stretch to make it for the Ruger.
Perhaps a skilled machinist could make one that fits on this.
Perhaps a skilled machinist could make one that fits on this.
You people crack me up. Oh God! it's only got a 16 inch barrel! That's too short! You can't kill anything with that. Learn to place your shots in the right spot and don't worry about 100-200 fps less velocity.I doubt if you would know the difference whether you were shot with a 16 inch barrel or a 20 inch. If no sights bother you so much buy an extra set of mounts and another scope. Too bad they left out the .223. I would have been tempted.
litman252
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I have to agree in some ways. Many people brag about the T/C pistols trajectory with a 15" barrel in 7mm-08. We add 1.5" and a stock, couple of pounds and the thing becomes worthless????
Take them for what they are, a specialized firearm meant for a small perceantage of people. Granted the purpose of the scout rifle is meant to be a one thing does all, a Savage 30-06 is said to be the same thing, only diffrent.
Great topic and thread
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Tony
fistful
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litman, aren't you comparing a pistol to a rifle?
M16,
I could be confused. Maybe I don't remember my Rifle 1001 very well, but it seems that velocity affects both power and trajectory. That is, a longer barrel will produce a more curved trajectory. Wouldn't this make a difference even within 300 yards?
You are way off base with regards to the sights. Consider having back-up sights already mounted on the gun, versus having another scope in a pack or in camp. Consider the differences in price, weight and convenience. Then remember that the Scout is intended to be a rifle to be counted on when the chips are down. Remember that the guy who spearheaded the concept was a veteran of the Rhodesian war, and wanted a rifle with which to fend off an unexpected attack, march 200 miles and then pot a kudu - even if the scope doesn't survive the trip. I guess that's what he wanted. Who knows? Besides that, maybe an old salt like Cooper has just seen too many scopes fail, and he doesn't trust 'em as much as some people. That's what makes him a true conservative, as opposed to the libertarians we call conservatives today.
Bottom line: We all want what we want, especially at that price. Sixteen inches just seems unreasonable to some people, as does a gun with no sights.
M16,
I could be confused. Maybe I don't remember my Rifle 1001 very well, but it seems that velocity affects both power and trajectory. That is, a longer barrel will produce a more curved trajectory. Wouldn't this make a difference even within 300 yards?
You are way off base with regards to the sights. Consider having back-up sights already mounted on the gun, versus having another scope in a pack or in camp. Consider the differences in price, weight and convenience. Then remember that the Scout is intended to be a rifle to be counted on when the chips are down. Remember that the guy who spearheaded the concept was a veteran of the Rhodesian war, and wanted a rifle with which to fend off an unexpected attack, march 200 miles and then pot a kudu - even if the scope doesn't survive the trip. I guess that's what he wanted. Who knows? Besides that, maybe an old salt like Cooper has just seen too many scopes fail, and he doesn't trust 'em as much as some people. That's what makes him a true conservative, as opposed to the libertarians we call conservatives today.
Bottom line: We all want what we want, especially at that price. Sixteen inches just seems unreasonable to some people, as does a gun with no sights.
litman252
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Nope, just using it as a comparison.
I'd like to have back up sights as well. I just have to look at $$$ and realize the best way to get what I want. At a retaill of $550 this ain't lookin' to bad.
Tony
mhdishere
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Looks interesting, if I were in the market for a scout-type rifle I'd take a good look at it. Barrel length and scope position don't bother me, it's a pseudo-scout after all. If you want a longer barrel or rear-mounted scope buy one of the other rifles in the Ruger catalog.
Two things jump out at me:
1) I can't tell if there's a sling swivel in front of the trigger guard, which there should be on a scout rifle so you can use a Ching-sling. Easy enough to add though.
2) More importantly, how's the trigger? Since the Scout rifle is intended to be a field-use rifle, it ought to have a good trigger. Manufacturers tend not to supply good triggers though, they're afraid someone might get hurt and sue them.
I don't know about .300 WSM in that barrel, seems you won't get much extra velocity over the .308. I agree it need iron sights of some sort too as backup.
Two things jump out at me:
1) I can't tell if there's a sling swivel in front of the trigger guard, which there should be on a scout rifle so you can use a Ching-sling. Easy enough to add though.
2) More importantly, how's the trigger? Since the Scout rifle is intended to be a field-use rifle, it ought to have a good trigger. Manufacturers tend not to supply good triggers though, they're afraid someone might get hurt and sue them.
I don't know about .300 WSM in that barrel, seems you won't get much extra velocity over the .308. I agree it need iron sights of some sort too as backup.
fistful
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Oh. I see. You're not comparing the two, just using it as a comparison. Clear as mud. The point is, one expects more accuracy, range and power from a rifle (even a scout) than from a handgun (even a big, honkin' huntin' handgun like the T/C). Just as one expects more from a full-size MP5 than from a Glock 18. Oh, sorry; forgot this was Rifle Country.
SapperLeader
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I can see why Ruger isnt offering backup sights as a stock option as most of the rifle world seems to hate anything that is not scoped. It would be nice If they had it as a option from the factory for those of us that like Irons.
Lee F
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I wouldn't buy the Ruger if it came with lottery tickets, dancing girls, and a free corvette. Stop whining about the 16" barrel, 85% of Ruger's centerfire rifles are so inaccurate you couldn't hit your target at extended ranges anyway. You 15% can rub your rabbits foot and grin.
Rant mode on.
Recently my FFL and I have contacted either the custom shop or head gunsmith for Winchester, Kimber, and CZ USA requesting that iron sights (or at least a front sight) be added to one or more of the standard catalog offerings. All three manufacturers refused to add iron sights to a otherwise standard product offering. They all said "we don't do iron sights, that is what gunsmiths are for". That's what the American gun market has come to, manufacturers not willing to add a $35 set of iron sights to a $550-$1100 rifle even when you offer to pay them for the labor and materials. Can any of you imagine in your business or profession telling a customer you don't want more money for a little extra work? I work in custom manufacturing so its not like I don't understand the process.
I wouldn't buy the Ruger if it came with lottery tickets, dancing girls, and a free corvette. Stop whining about the 16" barrel, 85% of Ruger's centerfire rifles are so inaccurate you couldn't hit your target at extended ranges anyway. You 15% can rub your rabbits foot and grin.
Rant mode on.
Recently my FFL and I have contacted either the custom shop or head gunsmith for Winchester, Kimber, and CZ USA requesting that iron sights (or at least a front sight) be added to one or more of the standard catalog offerings. All three manufacturers refused to add iron sights to a otherwise standard product offering. They all said "we don't do iron sights, that is what gunsmiths are for". That's what the American gun market has come to, manufacturers not willing to add a $35 set of iron sights to a $550-$1100 rifle even when you offer to pay them for the labor and materials. Can any of you imagine in your business or profession telling a customer you don't want more money for a little extra work? I work in custom manufacturing so its not like I don't understand the process.
BerettaNut92
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Kinda neat. Besides this what are our Pseudoscout options other than the now bye-bye'd Savage Scout? The Steyr is a little bit, um, beyond my wallet right now.
litman252
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Thats what it comes down to for me. Most Mil surps are not short action and weight a lot, this is too short has no sights and no stripper clip guide.
Pick your poison.....................
I really want a Frontier w/ 18.75" barrell ghost ring sights and striper clip guide, 3 position sling 5.79 pounds and a cost of $50 bucks OTD. For now I'll settle for the ruger as is......................
Tony
stevelyn
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(Ruger #1 RSI owner rubbing rabbit's foot) A good idea improperly executed. I would want a slightly longer barrel no more than 18 1/2" and a good set of iron sights. Either of the typical Ruger flavor or an aperture sight.
To me, it seems pointless to offer a "Scout" type rifle without the iron sights since the beauty of the "scout" is it's simplicity and handiness. Throw a piece of glass on top and simplicity and ruggedness leave town.
Another thing, I would ask all makers is if you're going to offer a bolt gun don't exclude the 15% who would like to own one with a left hand bolt.
I guess if I want one of these the way I want it, I'll have to slap one together on a Chuck Daly Mauser. :banghead:
ducktapehero
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Has anyone used these stripper clip guides? Do they work good?
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