Ruger lawsuit slapped
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Standing Wolf
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If the leftist extremists win in court, they win. If they lose in court, they still win, since it costs firearms manufacturers millions of dollars to fight these frivolous law suits.
Too bad the Republican party hasn't trouble itself to stand up against the leftist extremists' predations in the courts.
Too bad the Republican party hasn't trouble itself to stand up against the leftist extremists' predations in the courts.
Correction. The Republicans (lead by my Senator Craig) tried hard to introduce legislation to protect firearms mfgrs against frivolous suits.
The Gun Grabbers, led by Feinstien and strongly supported by Kerry, who left the campaign trail ON SUPER TUESDAY to cast his vote, added some nasty amendments to the bill, including extending the Assault Weapons Ban. A number of Republicans voted with them to add these nasty amendments.
The Republican sponsors of the bill then killed the bill themselves (by voting against it), rather than voting to extend the AWB in order to immunize gun owners.
The absolutely did the right thing in that case.
Search the archives here. The whole story was posted and discussed in great detail.
The Gun Grabbers, led by Feinstien and strongly supported by Kerry, who left the campaign trail ON SUPER TUESDAY to cast his vote, added some nasty amendments to the bill, including extending the Assault Weapons Ban. A number of Republicans voted with them to add these nasty amendments.
The Republican sponsors of the bill then killed the bill themselves (by voting against it), rather than voting to extend the AWB in order to immunize gun owners.
The absolutely did the right thing in that case.
Search the archives here. The whole story was posted and discussed in great detail.
csmkersh
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Does this mean you think the Senate should have passed SB1805 with the AWB extention? That's standing up to the leftest extremists? Wonder what you'd call working with them
rock jock
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SW,
I know you hate the Republican Party, but that is a ridiculous accusation. They worked worked hard (with a few notable exceptions) to get 1805 passed w/o the poison pill amendments. After the 2004 elections, hopefully they can try again.
I know you hate the Republican Party, but that is a ridiculous accusation. They worked worked hard (with a few notable exceptions) to get 1805 passed w/o the poison pill amendments. After the 2004 elections, hopefully they can try again.
TheBluesMan
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I'm disenchanted with the Republican party in my state. BOTH my senators voted FOR the Feinstein Amendment extending the AWB. And they're both Republicans! 
Three votes would have defeated the AWB amendment. Know how many Repubs voted for it? - TEN!
Anyone who completely trusts Republicans to protect their RKBA, is a fool... Strike that, a disarmed fool!
Three votes would have defeated the AWB amendment. Know how many Repubs voted for it? - TEN!
Anyone who completely trusts Republicans to protect their RKBA, is a fool... Strike that, a disarmed fool!
CasualShooter
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Sounds like closet Democrats, to me. I'll bet they call themselves "Moderate Republicans". But it will be a lot worse if the Dems ever gain back the majority in congress.
The place & time to solve these problems is at the polls during the Republican Primary Elections. Don't look for any better from the Democrats. Their leaders are still on an anti-gun crusade. :banghead:
TheBluesMan
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Boats - You sound like a modern-day Diogenes... In search of a true Republican... 
Politically Incorrect
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Mike DeWine and George Voinovich along with Ohio Governor Taft have no backbone and absolutely no principles (as do most politicians). They just go for what sounds like a good idea or what seems to be the popular opinion.
These people are not leaders, but timid do-gooders that want to please people. They won't stand up against oppressive government actions because they're afraid they'll lose their seat.
But as a state and as a nation, Republicans are voted in because voters see them as less evil than Democrats even though they bear a strong resemblance to each other in principle. That principle being government is a benevolent entity that fixes people's problems.
Too bad it always seems to do the opposite. And those same politicians say that only government is the answer to fix the problems the government created.
For awhile, we voted as if one candidate can undo decades of government abuse. Now we vote to lessen the future abuse of government.
These people are not leaders, but timid do-gooders that want to please people. They won't stand up against oppressive government actions because they're afraid they'll lose their seat.
But as a state and as a nation, Republicans are voted in because voters see them as less evil than Democrats even though they bear a strong resemblance to each other in principle. That principle being government is a benevolent entity that fixes people's problems.
Too bad it always seems to do the opposite. And those same politicians say that only government is the answer to fix the problems the government created.
For awhile, we voted as if one candidate can undo decades of government abuse. Now we vote to lessen the future abuse of government.
Ohio Senators
I live in Ohio and called both of Senators serverals time before the vote telling not to support the AWB. THen DeWiner lies and claims he did not recieve a single call supporting the end of the AWB> They are two of the worst. We might as well have Fingerhut, at least he is honest about what he is.
I live in Ohio and called both of Senators serverals time before the vote telling not to support the AWB. THen DeWiner lies and claims he did not recieve a single call supporting the end of the AWB> They are two of the worst. We might as well have Fingerhut, at least he is honest about what he is.
Hmmmmm, Let me look....
Ah yes, here it is, in my "Funk & Wagnalls":
R.I.N.O. Republican In Name Only
And who is in the Illustration of R.I.N.O. ? ? ? ?
A triplet, I see...DeWhine, Voino-*itch, & Guv. Booby Daft.
At least we know what Ohio State Sen. Fingerhut is...A Dem-ole-rat Socialist weasel. As useful as the junk from the mail-order company of the same name.
Ah yes, here it is, in my "Funk & Wagnalls":
R.I.N.O. Republican In Name Only
And who is in the Illustration of R.I.N.O. ? ? ? ?
A triplet, I see...DeWhine, Voino-*itch, & Guv. Booby Daft.
At least we know what Ohio State Sen. Fingerhut is...A Dem-ole-rat Socialist weasel. As useful as the junk from the mail-order company of the same name.
Baba Louie
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From the National Retail Hardware Assoc. whose big concern right now is toxic mold and asbestos fireproofing...
TORT REFORM
http://www.nrha.org/tortreform.html
"THE ISSUE
The U. S. is a litigious society. Litigation related to products and services increases each year – injuries blamed on product manufacturers, decisions made by doctors and health insurance organizations, employment actions taken by employers. Many times the disagreements wind up in court and become costly to businesses. The tendency to sue results in increased insurance premiums – primarily property/casualty and malpractice – which are passed along in the costs of goods and services. Concern about the potential for legal action may become a deciding factor in making business decisions.
The business community wants limits on damage awards, especially non-economic and punitive damages, and protection for small businesses who can least afford large damage awards.
BACKGROUND
There is no national product liability law – no nationwide standards or guidelines. These kinds of cases – tort cases where parties who believe they have been wronged file civil lawsuits against the party they hold responsible – go to state courts. In many cases there are no state laws either, leaving decisions to judges and juries.
For more than 20 years the business community, manufacturers in particular, has worked for product liability and tort reform legislation. In 1996 Congress passed product liability reform legislation only to see President Clinton veto it. There has been no substantive action since, until now. President Bush and Republicans in Congress seem amenable to tort reform, but they are using a step-by-step strategy, proposing very specific reform bills – protection for small businesses, reforms in litigation for asbestos-related health claims, caps on medical malpractice awards and reform for class action lawsuits.
Tort or civil liability suits usually focus on a product’s manufacturer, but others in the distribution chain, including retailers, can be involved. Most product liability suits are filed against a specific manufacturer. However, there’s a growing trend to go after whole industries, most notably the tobacco industry. The same approach has been tried over handguns and lead-based paint, with little success so far.
A couple of issues that could ensnare hardware stores are asbestos and toxic mold. They illustrate how dangerous liability litigation can be..."
The link has more on their particular ox about to be gored, but makes me pause to wonder about the auto industry, fast food, etc all joining forces for a single issue to craft one bill. They had something once, but President BJ Clinton nixed it in '96 and it's never raised it's head again. Defects are one thing and they should be exposed when found. Making policy via lawsuits... another can of worms to be squashed. Punitive compensatory damages for redress of all legal fees spent and time lost might be added to make groups instigating such suits think twice about the penalty they'd suffer financially should they decide to go this route.
A nice dream, but it'll never see the light of day, methinks.
TORT REFORM
http://www.nrha.org/tortreform.html
"THE ISSUE
The U. S. is a litigious society. Litigation related to products and services increases each year – injuries blamed on product manufacturers, decisions made by doctors and health insurance organizations, employment actions taken by employers. Many times the disagreements wind up in court and become costly to businesses. The tendency to sue results in increased insurance premiums – primarily property/casualty and malpractice – which are passed along in the costs of goods and services. Concern about the potential for legal action may become a deciding factor in making business decisions.
The business community wants limits on damage awards, especially non-economic and punitive damages, and protection for small businesses who can least afford large damage awards.
BACKGROUND
There is no national product liability law – no nationwide standards or guidelines. These kinds of cases – tort cases where parties who believe they have been wronged file civil lawsuits against the party they hold responsible – go to state courts. In many cases there are no state laws either, leaving decisions to judges and juries.
For more than 20 years the business community, manufacturers in particular, has worked for product liability and tort reform legislation. In 1996 Congress passed product liability reform legislation only to see President Clinton veto it. There has been no substantive action since, until now. President Bush and Republicans in Congress seem amenable to tort reform, but they are using a step-by-step strategy, proposing very specific reform bills – protection for small businesses, reforms in litigation for asbestos-related health claims, caps on medical malpractice awards and reform for class action lawsuits.
Tort or civil liability suits usually focus on a product’s manufacturer, but others in the distribution chain, including retailers, can be involved. Most product liability suits are filed against a specific manufacturer. However, there’s a growing trend to go after whole industries, most notably the tobacco industry. The same approach has been tried over handguns and lead-based paint, with little success so far.
A couple of issues that could ensnare hardware stores are asbestos and toxic mold. They illustrate how dangerous liability litigation can be..."
The link has more on their particular ox about to be gored, but makes me pause to wonder about the auto industry, fast food, etc all joining forces for a single issue to craft one bill. They had something once, but President BJ Clinton nixed it in '96 and it's never raised it's head again. Defects are one thing and they should be exposed when found. Making policy via lawsuits... another can of worms to be squashed. Punitive compensatory damages for redress of all legal fees spent and time lost might be added to make groups instigating such suits think twice about the penalty they'd suffer financially should they decide to go this route.
A nice dream, but it'll never see the light of day, methinks.
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