Ruger Precision Rile, .308 -- it can shoot!

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I use PMAG AICS mags and can seat out to 2.86" OAL in those. That's about .03-.06" longer than in the regular PMAG mags that come with the rifle.

Good to know, I'd read either those or the AICS mags to squeeze a few more .001s out of your OAL.

Rifle arrived tonight, I'm almost tempted to yank my Mark 4 off another rifle and give it a go, especially since the scope I ordered is now on BO. For once though I'm going to exercise some patience....

Thanks,

Chuck
 
Follow up, third time out.

While waiting for the six different brands of "match ammo" I'd ordered from PSA to arrive, I was hot to get out and shoot it again, so figuring I could get in and out between thunderstorms I went out again yesterday.

When this ammo finally comes in, I'll be waiting for near "perfect" conditions for trying them out, my question is would y'all prefer I start a new thread, or append to this one?


Had the range all to myself, seems I was the only one foolish enough to give it a go. Went straight to 300 yard line and set up my targets. By time I was ready to shoot there was a bit of a head wind, 5-10 MPH but looked to be clearing.

Here are the results, followed by some comments:
EDIT: I shoud say for those not familar with these targets the rings are 2"(red) 4" 8" 12"(black)
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First thing I did after cleaning the RPR after the second time out was adjust the scope so I'd aim with the the tip of the chevron -- 300 yard zero. I moved 10 clicks UP to compensate 1 MIL correction I was holding last time out, and another 3 clicks UP and one click RIGHT to compensate for the POA/POI of target 4 from the last time out.

The blue tape speck marks the first shot from the cleaned, cold barrel. I'd have to say the tracking on this PA scope is pretty darn good and I mounted it pretty darn level :D Not quite as good as last time, but considering the conditions I was plenty happy with a 4.5" 10 shot group, and particularly with the scope adjustment tracking.

Second target is a story. Its the PPU 175 gr MATCH ammo shot as two 10 shot groups (would be targets 2 & 5 if I'd setup five), didn't do very well again. The conditions had improved dramatically and I though I was a genius for getting out between the storms, but results for the first 10 shots were pretty terrible, four shots were off the paper high and one in the red meant the group was going to be large again, wind seemed nil so I can't claim it was headwind accounting for the large mostly vertical spread (you have to take my word for what I saw in the spotting scope as the last ten shots were more horizontally dispersed than the first ten). I will tell the story of the last 10 shots in a bit, to match the order of the shooting.

Third target, About when I finished loading the mag with ten more rounds of the steel match, the wind picked up and the rain came pouring down. Moved everything as far back under the range cover in an attempt to stay dry, mostly worked. I went from weather Einstein to Idiot in a matter of minutes :banghead:

After about 10 minutes the rain stopped, wind was 5-10 mph variable, and I shot another nice group with the steel match, 4.3" waiting to shoot when the wind seemed most calm. I think this ammo is going to be hard to beat at ~$0.85 per round in 50 round boxes until my skills improve dramatically.

Then the skies really opened up, raining so hard I could hardly see the target board at 300 yards, but there appeared to be almost no wind. Since I was stuck I thought why not try that PPU under these bad conditions. So I loaded up ten rounds, folded down the bi-pod and removed the sand bags for a more field-like shooting experience (at this point I was standing in 1/2" of water, so prone wasn't happening). These ten shots put 9 of them solidly in the black, but I threw one up in to the barcode at 1-o'clock. Measuring the composite 20 shot group, counting the 4 off the paper I got 7.8", surprisingly little net effect from the driving rain (this was the kind of rain that makes the freeways slow to a crawl). I don't see myself looking to buy any more of this ammo. The 165 gr PSP-BT from target 2 last time out at a closeout price of $0.65 per round and 4.2" I'll be ordering more of if its still in stock.

Finally the rain let up and I reset the sandbags and fired target 4 with Hornady 168gr BTHP Match. At $1.20 per round and 4.9" 10-shot group, I'm not all that impressed. But if I do like a lot of gun magazine review writers and call it an average of two 5-shot groups throwing out the worst shot of each group its shooting MOA! :barf:

The drive home was through a couple of gully-washers, the worst of the rain was clearly not where I was shooting.
 

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Surprised the PPU did so poorly. I have used PPU 168gr Match in my Howa 1500 HB and it does very well in that rifle - always sub MOA.
 
Surprised the PPU did so poorly. I have used PPU 168gr Match in my Howa 1500 HB and it does very well in that rifle - always sub MOA.

I was too, but it was the 175gr FMJ-BT Match. I have some 168gr HP-BT Match I'll try when conditions improve, been raining every day :(

The 165gr PSP-BT "hunting ammo" did a bit under 1.5 moa, Midway had it on sale for $0.67/round so I've stocked up. I'm sure I'll find the gun and ammo can do better as my skills improved, this was only about the fifth time I've ever shot at targets further than 200 yards away.

I also ordered a bunch of "match ammo" brands and will give them a try after I figure I've improved enough for the PPU JSP-BT or Steel Match to be a limitation.
 
I just bought a Gen 1 in .308 last week, mounted a Leupold VX6 6.5x20x40 with AO on it, ordered a muzzle brake too. shot it with 150 grain factory loads but I have about 300 rounds of Remington Core Lokts 180 grain so gonna shoot them up. Plan on using it for hogs out in the open about 400 yards max, anyone else shooting 180 grain bullets? I think after I shoot these up will go to 167 grain Hornadys.
 
If you're shooting only factory ammo, I'd try to get some of the new Hornady .308 ammo that is loaded with 178 ELD-X. I've heard that they shoot like the 178 Amax's ( that is to say they shoot very well) but have higher BC's and are made for reliable expansion.
 
I just wanted to follow-up with a note on my progress. We've had a lot of rain so I've not got as much shooting practice in as I'd like and have been pretty much restricted to 300 yards as its been too wet to move the dirt and brush to get longer lanes. But I feel I've made progress being mostly sub MOA at 300 yards with the 155gr Hornady Steel Match (~$0.85/round and so far good enough for me). Up to now only shooting on days with minimal wind.

I was shooting off my bi-pod using a portable shooting bench (X-Stand, ~$65) as it was too wet for prone to do anything but get me in the doghouse for coming home in a bunch of muddy clothes.

I had purchased a Caldwell wind meter and thought I'd try my hand on a day with weather service was reporting 5-15 mph winds. I'd set up ribbons along the fence line at intervals to give me an idea of conditions as a function distance. Didn't even bother with the meter, at the firing line the wind was barely perceptible and from right-to-left. Down range it was all over the place and mostly left-to-right. So I cheated, and fired two shots at a 12" gong and they hit about 3" right of POA. The ballistics table for the 155gr Amax said 8.8" drift at 300 yards for a 10 mph crosswind.

Worked out very convenient as I had a 6" diamond plate out there and aimed at the left edge. Hit 6 out of 8, seemed be holding about 1/2 MOA in elevation and spanned almost the full 6" in wind-age. Overall I was thrilled, it looked like I missed one right of the target and one left of the target while I was shooting. Here is a photo of my results. Learning to "read the wind" is going to be a challenge, if the wind is aways going to be swirling like this at this shooting location, the wind meter I bought won't be very much help, time will tell if it ever drys out :)

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Looks like three of the six drifted about an inch or more than my 3" estimate from the 12" gong test shots (I didn't go down range to measure I just estimated the impact locations through the scope on the freshly painted plate) and one was significantly less -- dead on elevation, only about 1" right of the POA, and two bracketed the 3" estimate.

So far I feel I'm making good progress, and can't wait to get out about 500 yards.
 
mine is a Gen one that I fixed a muzzle brake on, got a Leupold VX 6 4.5 x 20 x 40 on it, zero at 400 yards, nail hogs regular at 300-400 yards all the time...great rifle.
 
I just wanted to follow-up with a note on my progress. We've had a lot of rain so I've not got as much shooting practice in as I'd like and have been pretty much restricted to 300 yards as its been too wet to move the dirt and brush to get longer lanes. But I feel I've made progress being mostly sub MOA at 300 yards with the 155gr Hornady Steel Match (~$0.85/round and so far good enough for me). Up to now only shooting on days with minimal wind.

I was shooting off my bi-pod using a portable shooting bench (X-Stand, ~$65) as it was too wet for prone to do anything but get me in the doghouse for coming home in a bunch of muddy clothes.

I had purchased a Caldwell wind meter and thought I'd try my hand on a day with weather service was reporting 5-15 mph winds. I'd set up ribbons along the fence line at intervals to give me an idea of conditions as a function distance. Didn't even bother with the meter, at the firing line the wind was barely perceptible and from right-to-left. Down range it was all over the place and mostly left-to-right. So I cheated, and fired two shots at a 12" gong and they hit about 3" right of POA. The ballistics table for the 155gr Amax said 8.8" drift at 300 yards for a 10 mph crosswind.

Worked out very convenient as I had a 6" diamond plate out there and aimed at the left edge. Hit 6 out of 8, seemed be holding about 1/2 MOA in elevation and spanned almost the full 6" in wind-age. Overall I was thrilled, it looked like I missed one right of the target and one left of the target while I was shooting. Here is a photo of my results. Learning to "read the wind" is going to be a challenge, if the wind is aways going to be swirling like this at this shooting location, the wind meter I bought won't be very much help, time will tell if it ever drys out :)

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Looks like three of the six drifted about an inch or more than my 3" estimate from the 12" gong test shots (I didn't go down range to measure I just estimated the impact locations through the scope on the freshly painted plate) and one was significantly less -- dead on elevation, only about 1" right of the POA, and two bracketed the 3" estimate.

So far I feel I'm making good progress, and can't wait to get out about 500 yards.

Awesome stuff my friend! In my experience, you will find that the wind is always going to be different downrange, in some way, that at your meter. The flags are a good idea, and will helo illustrate the enemy youre dealing with.

I didnt see it mentioned in the discussion a few months ago, but I think you should knoe that your rifle will shoot more consistently if you leave it fouled. There's a Sniper 101 video on the idea of bore equilibrium here:

Basically, if you shoot some groups of FGMM starting with a clean bore, then shoot groups of Hornady Match starting with a now-fouled barrel, the Hornady may seen ti be more accurate than the FGMM and/or may have a different POI. The FGMM may look like it shoots worse (shift in poi from first group to last, inconsistent group size, etc) than it actually does through consistent bore conditions.

The whole sniper 101 youtube series is extremely informative, and will absolutely help anyone who is looking to practice long range shooting. I wish you well! Nice setup!
 
but I think you should know that your rifle will shoot more consistently if you leave it fouled
I've never been accused of over cleaning my guns :)

Thanks for the tip about the sniper101 series.
 
I just wanted to follow-up with a note on my progress. We've had a lot of rain so I've not got as much shooting practice in as I'd like and have been pretty much restricted to 300 yards as its been too wet to move the dirt and brush to get longer lanes. But I feel I've made progress being mostly sub MOA at 300 yards with the 155gr Hornady Steel Match (~$0.85/round and so far good enough for me). Up to now only shooting on days with minimal wind.

I was shooting off my bi-pod using a portable shooting bench (X-Stand, ~$65) as it was too wet for prone to do anything but get me in the doghouse for coming home in a bunch of muddy clothes.

I had purchased a Caldwell wind meter and thought I'd try my hand on a day with weather service was reporting 5-15 mph winds. I'd set up ribbons along the fence line at intervals to give me an idea of conditions as a function distance. Didn't even bother with the meter, at the firing line the wind was barely perceptible and from right-to-left. Down range it was all over the place and mostly left-to-right. So I cheated, and fired two shots at a 12" gong and they hit about 3" right of POA. The ballistics table for the 155gr Amax said 8.8" drift at 300 yards for a 10 mph crosswind.

Worked out very convenient as I had a 6" diamond plate out there and aimed at the left edge. Hit 6 out of 8, seemed be holding about 1/2 MOA in elevation and spanned almost the full 6" in wind-age. Overall I was thrilled, it looked like I missed one right of the target and one left of the target while I was shooting. Here is a photo of my results. Learning to "read the wind" is going to be a challenge, if the wind is aways going to be swirling like this at this shooting location, the wind meter I bought won't be very much help, time will tell if it ever drys out :)

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Looks like three of the six drifted about an inch or more than my 3" estimate from the 12" gong test shots (I didn't go down range to measure I just estimated the impact locations through the scope on the freshly painted plate) and one was significantly less -- dead on elevation, only about 1" right of the POA, and two bracketed the 3" estimate.

So far I feel I'm making good progress, and can't wait to get out about 500 yards.
I have found the hornady steel match in 223 and 308 did not really do well in a few rifles no better then some ball ammo. I have not saw if you reload yet but if you do or know someone to do it for you while you watch and learn you will see your group at 300 yds get a lot smaller. I realize it was a little windy but if you hold the same and fire 5 shots quickly you will be OK
 
I have found the Hornady steel match in 223 and 308 did not really do well in a few rifles no better then some ball ammo. I have not saw if you reload yet but
In my RPM it has done very well, well enough that I'm not willing to say the ammo is holding me back at this point.

I reload high volume for pistol calibers on a pair of Dillon XL650, I have done some reloading for .223 & .308 in the past, but my time available for reloading is pretty well used up keeping my pistols fed while beating up the plate racks :) I reload in the garage and here that means I have about a 4 month "not summer" season to load up a years worth of pistol ammo. For the time being, I can afford ~$0.85/round for the steel match and can afford better once I've convinced myself its the ammo holding me back. My experience at 300 yards says my skill reading the wind will be the major limitation for the time being, so more practice with this ammo is likely better than switching to better ammo at this point.

Once we clear a lane out to ~500 yards the equation might change.
 
In my RPM it has done very well, well enough that I'm not willing to say the ammo is holding me back at this point.

I reload high volume for pistol calibers on a pair of Dillon XL650, I have done some reloading for .223 & .308 in the past, but my time available for reloading is pretty well used up keeping my pistols fed while beating up the plate racks :) I reload in the garage and here that means I have about a 4 month "not summer" season to load up a years worth of pistol ammo. For the time being, I can afford ~$0.85/round for the steel match and can afford better once I've convinced myself its the ammo holding me back. My experience at 300 yards says my skill reading the wind will be the major limitation for the time being, so more practice with this ammo is likely better than switching to better ammo at this point.

Once we clear a lane out to ~500 yards the equation might change.
Yes all rifles are different for what they like. you are a nice honest guy and gave real world 10 shot groups. like to see your results if you get to 500 yds
 
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