Rumor Mill: Smith to phase out the Internal Lock?

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If they thought about it.....perhaps they should offer "no-lock" as an additional payment option, and then see what makes the most monetary sense for them?
 
You guys have it bass ackwards.

Make the ILS lock guns a special order item from the custom shop instead. Make the no lock guns standard.

A standard no lock gun does not cost more to make than the Hillary hole abomination they currently spew out.

Don't reward their cowardice by buying a gun with a fragile lock drilled into the side of the gun.
 
I buy the new Smiths, take them home and in 6-7 minutes the tab on the lock is ground off, revolver reassembled and am in action. I don't sell my revolvers and don't plan on swallowing a stupid key.
 
I had trouble with the first S&W I bought with the internal lock. Posted about it before. I still use that gun, but for target practice only. When the new no-lock 642's came out, I bought the first one we saw, and my sister bought the second one we found. I would buy an all steel .357 version of the centennial with no lock. I would also buy a bobbed hammer no-lock 610 10mm, or 620 .357mag, or 625 mountain gun in .45 colt. They offered the model 37 with a bobbed hammer and no lock recently, but I never saw one here. I love S&W revolvers. I hate those unsightly locks. They could at least hide the damn things like Ruger did on its single actions.
 
Taurus has a lock on their guns, and it doesn't screw up the looks/lines of the gun like S&W's does. You also find few, if any, complaints about it malfunctioning like the S&W. Ruger has a lock, too. It is hidden under the grips and is only exposed if you put a hole in the grip.

Frankly, this is just stupid on S&W's part. It's like International Harvester tractors back in the 50's being too stubborn to switch to the 3-point hitch. After Ford/Massey/John Deere began eating their lunch in sales, they finally had to change.
 
I would also buy a bobbed hammer no-lock 610 10mm, or 620 .357mag, or 625 mountain gun in .45 colt.
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Find a used one and have a gunsmith bob the hammer for you.
 
If that is their attitude, then they REALLY should be punished in the marketplace. Newsflash - human beings make mistakes. Only the dumb ones refuse to admit it.

My mistake was to buy on of their stupid ILS lock 642 revolvers. I just admitted my mistake and bought a Ruger SP101 this week. It is 10X the gun the 642 is.
 
Find a used one and have a gunsmith bob the hammer for you.
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You missed the first part. I want them with no lock. I don't really want the hammer bobbed, but that seems to be the only way S&W would put out a no lock version right now. I haven't seen an excellent pre-lock version of a 625 (.45 colt) mountain gun or 610 10mm in years. I don't think the 620 was ever made without locks.
 
You missed the first part. I want them with no lock. I don't really want the hammer bobbed, but that seems to be the only way S&W would put out a no lock version right now. I haven't seen an excellent pre-lock version of a 625 (.45 colt) mountain gun or 610 10mm in years. I don't think the 620 was ever made without locks.
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.45 Colt Mountain Guns have always been scarce. I did see an outstanding 610 10mm go by in the last few months, but I couldn't afford to buy it.
 
In my dream, Taurus - jealous of the S&W sales and customer service - bought S&W and moved their production to Brazil. They also began offering only their pink 'gripper' rubber grips and porting standard on everything.

I have to remember to never eat pizza just before going to bed.

Stainz

PS I have bought ten IL-equipped S&Ws - sold one - in the last seven years. I should add another one this week. Never a problem. I choose to worry about other things.
 
Here is a possible solution to the stupidity. S&W releases several models with bobbed hammers and no locks (which seems to be considered OK, since they released the model 37 with no-lock/bobbed hammer a few months ago). They make replacement hammers available for those models. I replace the bobbed hammer with a full one. Now I have a new production S&W with no lock! Its a shame that they can't give us what we all want.
 
I buy the new Smiths, take them home and in 6-7 minutes the tab on the lock is ground off, revolver reassembled and am in action.
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What do you do about the hole in the frame? Cover it with duct tape?
 
Quote:I buy the new Smiths, take them home and in 6-7 minutes the tab on the lock is ground off, revolver reassembled and am in action.
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What do you do about the hole in the frame? Cover it with duct tape?
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I have a little sticker that says 'Colt'.
 
This thread is old and dead, but.............

The lock is not going away anytime soon.
I started this thread over something I saw on WIKIPEDIA of all places. The most unreliable sourse on the internet. It has since been changed to include Massad Ayoob's findings on the matter. There will be Smith and Wesson (or Safety Wesson) internal locks for years to come and the gun industry will suffer accoringly.

Words of advice:

BUY OLDER GUNS without so called "safety" devices.
 
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"The lock is not going away anytime soon."

If gunowners had some self respect and refused to buy ILS guns, the lock would go away tomorrow.
 
I'm suprised someone hasn't come out with a nice little stainless or blued piece to replace the lock and fill the hole, like the "screw" that fine gentleman Mr. Ludwig came out with to replace the cross bolt safetys Marlin started putting on their lever rifles.
 
"The lock is not going away anytime soon."

If gunowners had some self respect and refused to buy ILS guns, the lock would go away tomorrow
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ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! :)

As long as they're still sellin 'em, the lock will stay. They're still sellin 'em.
 
If gunowners had some self respect and refused to buy ILS guns, the lock would go away tomorrow.
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I haven't bought a S&W with the lock. If I want another S&W, I'll buy used.
 
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