S&W 469 failure to extract

[ZBill]

I have a S&W 469 that has an occasional failure to extract. Once every 40 shots or so. The case stays in the chamber as the pistol cycles and the next round is picked up from the mag and jams into the rear of the fired case.

I guess it must have something to do with the extractor but I know nothing about these S&W autos.

Any insight is appreciated. Bill

 

[rcmodel]

Is this happening with several brands of ammo or just one?

Have you closely inspected the extractor hook for chips or other damage?

Does it work freely in the slide, or could it be jammed up with dirt & crud?

Is the spring free and putting good pressure on the extractor?

Clean the chamber with a bore brush, solvent, and an electric drill?

rcmodel

 

[ZBill]

Thanks rcmodel

I'll pull her apart and check all your suggested areas.

I have only tried two types of ammo. Wolf steel-cased which jams like this a lot and I have stopped using it in this pistol altogether, and Georgia Arms reloads which is the one with whch I experience the posted problem.

Thank you, Bill

 

[ZBill]

Rcmodel

The extractor hook does have a small chip in it with some missing metal. Is the extractor easy to replace for a novice like me?

 

[rcmodel]

Yes.

It is held in the slide with a small pin.

Sears, or any hardware store sell 1/16 pin punches that will do the trick. Get the proper punch and don't try to use a nail or something!

You need to remove the slide, support it on a solid surface like a steel bench-block, chunk of 4"x4" post, or something.
Then drive the pin out (down towards the bottom of the slide) far enough to release the extractor & spring.

Keep hold of it, or the spring will go flying to parts unknown.

I would give S&W a call and get the extractor, and a new spring while you are at it.

rcmodel

 

[krs]

ZBill,

While you wait for your new extractor you might follow RCModel's advise to clean the chamber very well with his bore brush/electric drill trick.

I have a 469 that also had problems with Wolf ammo until I used a procedure like that to shine up the chamber. Since then it's been a completely reliable shooter.

Mine had been a police dept pistol and I put it down to years of haphazard cleaning.

 

[rcmodel]

Wolf steel-cased which jams like this a lot and I have stopped using it in this pistol altogether,

More then likely that is what chipped your extractor in the first place.

Especially if you ever load it by dropping the slide on a chambered round. But regardless of that, steel-case ammo is much harder to extract then brass because it expands and stays expanded more then brass. Just not as much spring-back when the pressure drops off.

American gun designs were never intended to work with steel case ammo.
It they had of been, they would all have bumper-jack grade extractors, and chrome-lined chambers like all the commie guns.

Commie ammo is for Commie guns!

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking too it!

rcmodel

 

[ZBill]

Thanks folks

RCMODEL: I will give S&W a call for a spring and extractor tomorrow.

KRS: thanks for the advice. I will polish the chamber per both of your suggestions.

Regards, Bill