kidcoltoutlaw
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is it strong and accurate with 40 and 10mm loads.is the docter sight or aim point easy to mount ? what are the pro's and con's of the 610 vs the auto,thanks,keith
S&w 610 ?
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Keith,
I don't own a 610, nor have I ever, but just from what I've read it is at least as strong if not stronger than just about every other semi auto out there. Other than that is has the same strengths and weaknesses that all revolvers have compared to semi autos. I can't tell you anything about mounting optics on it, but it is used by many people for competition so I assume there are mounts made for it, although I'm sure some gunsmithing is required as there is only one screw hole tapped in the frame where the rear sight is. Can't tell you much more. It makes a really good hunting round as well as a self defense round if you don't mind 6 shots and moonclips. I have a 625 which is the same gun in .45acp and it is by far the best revolver I've ever owned. My next revolver purchase will most likely be a 610.
I don't own a 610, nor have I ever, but just from what I've read it is at least as strong if not stronger than just about every other semi auto out there. Other than that is has the same strengths and weaknesses that all revolvers have compared to semi autos. I can't tell you anything about mounting optics on it, but it is used by many people for competition so I assume there are mounts made for it, although I'm sure some gunsmithing is required as there is only one screw hole tapped in the frame where the rear sight is. Can't tell you much more. It makes a really good hunting round as well as a self defense round if you don't mind 6 shots and moonclips. I have a 625 which is the same gun in .45acp and it is by far the best revolver I've ever owned. My next revolver purchase will most likely be a 610.
kidcoltoutlaw
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i thought
all new simth and wesson were set up for a scope mount.looks i was wong that was a big selling point the way i see it thanks for setting me on the right track,thanks,keith
all new simth and wesson were set up for a scope mount.looks i was wong that was a big selling point the way i see it thanks for setting me on the right track,thanks,keith
After 1993 all target S&W revolvers were drilled and tapped under the rear sight leaf for scope mounting. You should have a M610 from the first run that was produced in 1990 to 1992. Do your cylinder have flutes? The unfluted cylinder models (starting with M610-1) are from the second run that began in 1998 thru today.
caz223
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I am in love with my new 610.
It's more accurate than my .40 autos with the same ammo, and just as accurate as my razorback 10mm with the same ammo.
Due to the weight, follow-up shots are fast, the gun is comfortable to shoot, and has an excellent trigger in both DA and SA as well.
Mine's a keeper.
If you shoot 10mm, you don't even need moonclips, as long as you don't mind removing the spent cases with your fingernail.
Think of it as a slightly more versatile .41 mag.
It's more accurate than my .40 autos with the same ammo, and just as accurate as my razorback 10mm with the same ammo.
Due to the weight, follow-up shots are fast, the gun is comfortable to shoot, and has an excellent trigger in both DA and SA as well.
Mine's a keeper.
If you shoot 10mm, you don't even need moonclips, as long as you don't mind removing the spent cases with your fingernail.
Think of it as a slightly more versatile .41 mag.
gunfan
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I own a S&W Model 610
I also agree with caz 223. This revolver is one accurate, versatile, powerful, dependable, handgun. I'll NEVER let it slip from my hands!
Bet on it!
Scott
I also agree with caz 223. This revolver is one accurate, versatile, powerful, dependable, handgun. I'll NEVER let it slip from my hands!
Bet on it!
Scott
kidcoltoutlaw
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ok sounds like this to me
you think the 610 is a better gun than the springfield XD.the XD does have a 5 inch barrel but i still think i can get more velocity and accuracy from the 610 because of the full case support.am i right on that point ,thanks,keith
you think the 610 is a better gun than the springfield XD.the XD does have a 5 inch barrel but i still think i can get more velocity and accuracy from the 610 because of the full case support.am i right on that point ,thanks,keith
The 610 would be more flexible than a XD and have more strength since it handles a heavier cartridge. Now with the 2 having the same barrel length and firing identical cartidges the XD should in theory generate more velocity as it's firing from a closed breech design compared to a revolver with the B/C gap where gases can escape. Tolerances and the barrel quality would be the real factors in individual handgun accuracy.
kidcoltoutlaw
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you could crank it up
a little more with the 610 and in the end you will get more velocity from the 610 with the full case support.that was what i was trying to say.some say they can get more velocity from the 40 than the 10mm,thanks,keith
a little more with the 610 and in the end you will get more velocity from the 610 with the full case support.that was what i was trying to say.some say they can get more velocity from the 40 than the 10mm,thanks,keith
caz223
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I'd like to see the small frame .40 S&W auto that beats MCNETTs 10mm loads out of a 610 or G20 with the same weight bullets.
You can "crank" a M610 all the way up to a full house 10mm and completely blow any XD out the water, but I thought you were trying to compare the two on an equal basis.
Anyone claiming to take a .40S&W and making it more powerful than a 10mm is disregarding the laws of physics unless they are pushing the .40 extremely hard while downloading the 10mm. The .40S&W case just physically don't have the powder capacity of the parent 10mm case. If it can't hold enough fuel, then how does it outperform the larger case?
Anyone claiming to take a .40S&W and making it more powerful than a 10mm is disregarding the laws of physics unless they are pushing the .40 extremely hard while downloading the 10mm. The .40S&W case just physically don't have the powder capacity of the parent 10mm case. If it can't hold enough fuel, then how does it outperform the larger case?
kidcoltoutlaw
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ask CLARK
maybe something to it but it's over my head.the small primer will take more pressure or i think i read that some where don't the 454 use a small rifle primer for pressure reasons.any way thanks everybody im going to go with the smith and wesson 610 i like to push the limit some not to crazy,thanks,keith
maybe something to it but it's over my head.the small primer will take more pressure or i think i read that some where don't the 454 use a small rifle primer for pressure reasons.any way thanks everybody im going to go with the smith and wesson 610 i like to push the limit some not to crazy,thanks,keith
The only reason the .40S&W has a small primer is because it was designed to fit on the smaller 9mm size frame pistol with the least amount of modification. If it kept the large primer of the 10mm the ejector would hit the primer potentially igniting a live round when you manually eject the round.
I always believed that's where the .40S&W lost it's accuracy potential of the 10mm. The use of the small primer in a fairly large case.
A small rifle primer is much harder and hotter than a pistol primer. That was needed to help ignite the large powder column of the .454 with it's slow burning powders. The original loading was a 3 tier powder charge with a small amount of Bullseye powder at the base of the charge to help manage the ignition. The small rifle primer solved that problem allowing the use of a single powder.
I always believed that's where the .40S&W lost it's accuracy potential of the 10mm. The use of the small primer in a fairly large case.
A small rifle primer is much harder and hotter than a pistol primer. That was needed to help ignite the large powder column of the .454 with it's slow burning powders. The original loading was a 3 tier powder charge with a small amount of Bullseye powder at the base of the charge to help manage the ignition. The small rifle primer solved that problem allowing the use of a single powder.
kidcoltoutlaw
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Majic virginia me to
does the 6ppc use the small primer very accurate but might be an apples to oranges thing.thanks for the info great help. you need a bigger case for more powder other wise why would my 338 RUM be such a powder HOG,thanks,keith
does the 6ppc use the small primer very accurate but might be an apples to oranges thing.thanks for the info great help. you need a bigger case for more powder other wise why would my 338 RUM be such a powder HOG,thanks,keith
caz223
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I've been struggling with accuracy in the .40 cartridge (No problems with 10mm, though.), and I think that's what I'm going to try next.
Rifle primers, who'da thunk it?
Rifle primers, who'da thunk it?
The PPC family have rather short powder columns so the small match primers work best in them. You have to balance your ignition spark with the powder column and the burning rate of the powder to get the consistant burn over the entire charge. Benchresters are the most fanatical shooters seeking efficiency and consistency of their chosen loads. Some of their ideas are slowly spreading into everyday ammo. Look at Winchesters new short magnums. They are nothing more than a more practical general usage redention of the BR's PPC cartridge designs.
kidcoltoutlaw
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well said
i know what i know because i had friends in the benchrest game,thanks,keith
i know what i know because i had friends in the benchrest game,thanks,keith
kidcoltoutlaw
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i have done some crazy
stuff got 2800 with a 250 sbt in a 338 mag very accurate but way behond hot.GO FOR IT CLARK IM CHICKEN.
stuff got 2800 with a 250 sbt in a 338 mag very accurate but way behond hot.GO FOR IT CLARK IM CHICKEN.
Caz I'm going to try cutting some 10mm cases down to .40S&W length and inside neck reaming if necessary. Then do a side by side comparison of the 2 cases to see if the large primer gives better accuracy. I know capacity won't be the same meaning pressure differences, but it's an idea.
Small rifle primers would work too if you have enough hammer strength. Aint wildcatting fun.
Small rifle primers would work too if you have enough hammer strength. Aint wildcatting fun.
caz223
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I'd like to hear your results.
I've seen enough load recommendations in .40 with rifle primers to at least try a side-by-side comparo with the only difference being regular and rifle primers with WSF.
I've seen enough load recommendations in .40 with rifle primers to at least try a side-by-side comparo with the only difference being regular and rifle primers with WSF.
I think I will get a 610, especially since I will soon be in another state
One thing that bugs me is that I have looked for(and found) the limits of the 10mm in an unramped 1911 barrel. 1420 fps with 155's bulged cases
1350 fps worked fine.
I have no doubt I can go hotter with a 610, but it seems unwise to have loads laying around for one gun that could disassemble another in the collection.
I think if I got some slugs for the .38-40 (with crimp grooves) they would work well in hot revolver loads, yet appear different enough (or even refuse to feed) so they wouldn't get shot in a 1911.
Experience? Opinions?
One thing that bugs me is that I have looked for(and found) the limits of the 10mm in an unramped 1911 barrel. 1420 fps with 155's bulged cases
1350 fps worked fine.I have no doubt I can go hotter with a 610, but it seems unwise to have loads laying around for one gun that could disassemble another in the collection.
I think if I got some slugs for the .38-40 (with crimp grooves) they would work well in hot revolver loads, yet appear different enough (or even refuse to feed) so they wouldn't get shot in a 1911.
Experience? Opinions?
kidcoltoutlaw
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thanks for all the help
it's like team work,thanks,keith
it's like team work,thanks,keith
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