Savage axis 2 -25-06 85 grain nbt powder question

[dday911]

I recently purchased a savage axis 2 in 25-06 and began working up loads to find what the gun likes.
I have narrowed down a few loads using accurate mag pro using 87 grain tnt bullet by Speer and will be fine tuning in the upcoming weeks.

I’m afraid I’m going to have to return the gun to savage as I’m being plagued by light primer strikes and misfires. They are shut down until after the 1st of the year.
Any solutions to that issue are welcome as well.

I also have some 85 grain nosler ballistic tips I would like to try but my Lee manual does not list Pro Mag powder for this bullet but lists it as the fastest powder in the 87 grain. Can I safely use this powder w the 85 gr? It lists 56.3 starting and 62.5 as max for the 87.
I hate to buy another pound of powder just to load a bullet that is 2 grains lighter.
I use the mag pro in my .270 as well so I’d like to keep it simple.
Any thoughts? Thanks in advance and look forward to learning from you guys here.

 

[Blue68f100]

Do you have the misfires with factory ammo?

How far are you pushing the shoulder back when you size the brass? Primers not fully seated can cause misfires.

 

[dday911]

Blue,
I am full length sizing the new Winchester brass using a Lee press and dies. I Am not sure how to adjust the shoulder depth?
Do I add a turn when the die touches the shell plate? I will look at that adjustment when I get home.
I have not fired any factory ammo in the gun yet. I may need to try that next.

 

[stillquietvoice]

Welcome to the forum.

recently purchased a savage axis 2 in 25-06 and began working up loads to find what the gun likes.

I had an axis 2 in 223 the only light strikes I've had with it was military factory brass, theil staked primer pockets and harder primer cups. I have an m11 now and got some light strikes from factory hornandy v max bullets. The problem with the hornandy was too short from base to shoulder.

I'm thinking that you are over sizing the brass. Use a vermier calipers and measure base to shoulder datum and check saami spec.

You can, run brass back through the die and stretch back to the proper length after readjusting your die.

 

[stillquietvoice]

As far as using the set data between these 2 bullets.

have narrowed down a few loads using accurate mag pro using 87 grain tnt bullet by Speer

also have some 85 grain nosler ballistic tips I

It could be possible, but first you have to know if they are similar construction. Are both cup and core or is one a monometal IE all copper. If both bullets have similar construction then it should be OK.

 

[dday911]

Still,
I believe they are similarly constructed. One is a hollow point and one is a ballistic tip. Both thin jacket varmint bullets.

 

[stillquietvoice]

Still,
I believe they are similarly constructed. One is a hollow point and one is a ballistic tip. Both thin jacket varmint bullets.

should be good to go work up a load for both bullets.

 

[FROGO207]

Yeah a box or two of factory ammo will tell you a lot
Before returning it you could take the bolt apart and clean it well then relive with a light gun oil. Might be crud in the firing pin channel. Or the previously mentioned primers not being seated all the way. If they go off on the second try it'll be primers not seated.

 

[dday911]

Frog,
I have completely disassembled the bolt twice and cleaned springs and pins.
Even polished the pin. I originally loaded Winchester primers and had issues.
Threw all those away and tried cci primers in last batch w same results. I’m beginning to think there is actually an issue w the pin or the the firing pin spring.
Read several reports of people having to send them back w success after.
If this new batch after adjustments to press don’t work it will have to go back.
All but one of these misfires will not fire the second or third time they are tried.

 

[stillquietvoice]

You could measure the firing pin protrusion in the bolt head to see if it is in spec.

 

[dday911]

How would that process work.
Uncock bolt till pin protrudes?
How do I get a real measurement on the protruding pin?

 

[stillquietvoice]

Second the bolt so pin protrudes use the rod end of caliper to measure pin protrusion.

How would that process work.
Uncock bolt till pin protrudes?
How do I get a real measurement on the protruding pin?

 

[stillquietvoice]

Then recock the bolt so it can be inserted into the gun.

 

[stillquietvoice]

Measure depth from end of bolt to bolt face where cartridge base sits,y m11 223 is. 110", release bolt from full cock to make pin protrude and remeasure to pin, then subtract the 2 numbers. With the pin in fired position. My measurement is. 054" the difference is
.056" that'sy 223 pin protrusion. Your 2506 will probably be different because of the larger case head....

 

[dday911]

After several careful measurements I came up .44 pin protrusion.
Not sure what it should be but that’s what I got...

 

[stillquietvoice]

I went on a couple forums checking out that info. I came up with. 055" in but. 040 - .060 should be OK. There is a way to adjust the pin protrusion bit didn't research that far. Do a search on firing pin protrusion, adjustments or similar and should explain it. Perhaps a u tube video.

 

[stillquietvoice]

After several careful measurements I came up .44 pin protrusion.
Not sure what it should be but that’s what I got...

I believe savage shooters was one sight I checked. I'm not a more there just read an existing thread that came up as a search on firing pin protrusion.