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Hi all. I know a fair amount about rifles and handguns, but shotguns are still a mystery to me. Oh, sure, I know the basics...the smaller the gauge number, the bigger the bore, the bigger the gauge number, the smaller the bore. But what does "gauge" refer to exactly? What are choke tubes? Can you use regular shot in a rifled slug gun? Can you use slugs in a smoothbore?

I ask all this because I'm considering getting a used, el cheapo shotgun for home defense.
 
I am sure other users will post more throughly after me, but here are some quick answers to a few of your questions:

1. Shotgun gauge is determined by the diameter of lead balls. Namely, how many lead balls of the same diameter as the bore it takes to weigh a pound. A 12 gauge shotgun is approximatly .73 caliber, and it takes twelve .73 diameter balls to make a pound.

2. To understand choke tubes you must understand choke. Choke is a slight narrowing at the end of a shotgun barrel that helps focus the shot pattern, kind of a like a nozzle on a garden hose. Cylinder bore is no choke, Improved cylinder is slight choke, Modified is medium choke, and Full is alot of choke.

A gun that has interchangeable chokes has about a three inch section at the end of the barrel (where the choke would be normally) counterbored and tapped. A choke tube is a cylindrical piece of metal that threads into the counterbored section and has the "nozzle."

3. Yes, you can use regular shot in a rifled barrel, but expect large amounts of fouling and terrible patterns.

4. There are different kinds of slugs.

The first type of slug popularized is the Foster slug, more commonly called a "rifled slug" due to the ridges that allow it to pass through a choke without damaging it. The rifling actually does nothing to stabilize the slug. Instead, the slug is built kind of like a shuttlecock, with the weight in the nose and a hollow base. These can be safely shot through a smoothbore gun provided you don't have one of those insanely tight turkey chokes.

The second type of slug is the Brenneke slug. This is basically an improved rifled slug. Instead of having a hollow base the Brenneke is solid and has a plastic wad affixed to the rear. This is acutally even more like a shuttlecock. Brenneke slugs penetrate more than a conventional rifled slug because they don't flatten out and break apart. The Brenneke retains the rifling and is safe to shoot in smoothbore shotguns.

The third type of slug is the sabot. This is basically a large rifle bullet encased in a plastic sleeve that falls off once the slug has left the barrel. These slugs can only be used in rifled slug barrels, although they give superior accuracy and ballisitics compared to the Rifled and Brenneke slugs.

There is one last kind of slug, which is a huge, solid slug resembling a semi-wadcutter pistol bullet that is the size of the bore it is intended to be fired in. These can only be shot in rifled barrels. However, these slugs are specialty ammunition that you would have to specifically seek out and order. In fact I probably shouldn't even have mentioned them.

5. Quality pump shotguns are actually suprisingly cheap, even new. The Remington 870 Express runs about $250, and the Mossberg 500 $200. The Maverick 88 (a budget Mossberg 500) can be found for less than that. I would seriously consider getting a new shotgun over a used, as the price differential is really small between new utilitarian pumps and used ones (like $50).

If you are looking for a fancier shotgug then buying used can be quite a value, but the basic pumps are nice and inexpensive.
 
Gauge = the number of round lead balls whose diameter equals the inside barrel diameter of that gauge that it will take to weigh one pound.
ex: twelve 12 gauge lead balls = one pound.

Choke tubes: the shotgun barrel has no built-in choke but is threaded on the end for screwing on various choke tubes. Tighter choke = smaller patterns which will retain pattern density at longer range.

Good shooting and be safe.
LB

ps: I see Zinj posted while I was still typing.
 
> But what does "gauge" refer to exactly?

Gauge is an archaic way of measuring bore diameter. It's the number of lead balls the diameter of the bore that it takes to equal 1lb. Gauge isn't even technically accurate anymore since many shotguns have "over bored" or "back bored" barrels with bore diameters larger than the traditional sizes.

> What are choke tubes?

Steel tubes that screw into the muzzle end of the barrel to change the diameter of the muzzle opening. They're used to control the size of the shot pattern at different distances.

> Can you use regular shot in a rifled slug gun?

Sure, but you're going to fill the grooves up with plastic from the wad cup and it's going to be a beast to clean. Generally, rifled slug barrels are only used for slugs.

> Can you use slugs in a smoothbore?

Yes. Sabot slugs are designed to be used only from a rifled barrel. All other types of slugs are meant to be fired from a smoothbore.
 
Thanks for the accurate and thorough information, fellow High Roaders! :D But this leads to another question regarding the choke tubes. I know they're screwed into the muzzle to adjust the size of the shot pattern. But what advantages/disadvantages are there to having a small or large pattern? And what sort of jobs are more suited to large or small pattern sizes?
 
It's all about distance and pattern size. As soon as the shot exits the muzzle, it begans to spread out into a pattern that has both length and diameter. An ideal shot pattern is considered to be approximately 30" in diameter at whatever distance you're shooting. If your target is 20yds, 30yds, or 40yds away, you need different choke constrictions to give you that 30" pattern at each distance.

A pattern that's good at 20yds will be way too big at 40yds if you don't switch to a tighter choke. At 40yds there will be gaps in the pattern a truck could drive thru without being hit. Likewise, a pattern that's good at 40yds will be so small at 20yds that it will be almost like shooting a rifle at the target if you don't change the choke constriction.
 
There's a series of threads in the archives that constitute Shotgun 101, a primer for new shotgunners.

Hit Search, then Advanced Search. Type in 101 for subject and my name for author.

HTH....
 
Thanks for the accurate and thorough information, fellow High Roaders! But this leads to another question regarding the choke tubes. I know they're screwed into the muzzle to adjust the size of the shot pattern. But what advantages/disadvantages are there to having a small or large pattern? And what sort of jobs are more suited to large or small pattern sizes?

Mostly has to do with distance. If your target is closer in you want a wider pattern to help increase probablility of hitting. If your target is further away you want a narrower pattern so that it hasn't dispersed too much by the time it gets there.

I'm fairly inexperienced with moden shotguns as well (though learning fast) and got some important information on this thread about shot size.
 
Which make/model shotgun are you considering? Is it cheap in quality or only in price?

Cheap only in price. I'm not trusting my life to something that's poorly made. Since I don't have much money, I might go used, but I'm not certain. Ideally, not a whole lot more than $100. I was thinking a used Remington 870, a Mossy 500 or Maverick 88.
 
Since I don't have much money, I might go used, but I'm not certain. Ideally, not a whole lot more than $100. I was thinking a used Remington 870, a Mossy 500 or Maverick 88.

All good options. I know people on this board who paid as little as $169 for a new maverick 88. Unfortunately, shotguns in my area seem to cost about $100 more than most other places. I paid $343 OTD for my mossy 500 combo, but I have to say, I am pretty happy with it so far. The Maverick would've cost me $259 if I had decided to go that way.
 
-Dave's Post #10

-Shotgunning: The Art & Science - Bob Brister

-Don't buy a shotgun - yet.

-Read the archives, and the book.
Find some seasoned shooters that know how to assist a student in gun fit and correct basic fundamentals.
Shoot a variety of shotguns these seasoned shooters have you shoot live ammunition with.

-Then buy a shotgun that fits you, based on "try before you buy" and have seasoned shooters assist with tweaking gun fit.

-Continue lessons, training, and quality trigger time.
 
-Dave's Post #10

-Steve's Post #19

-Shotgunning: The Art & Science - Bob Brister

-Don't buy a shotgun - yet.

-Read the archives, and the book.

-Keyword: "fit".
 
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