Selling/Buying guns in MO

[Tearlachblair]

It was mentioned to me that with the majority of states, firearms cannot be sold to anyone under 21 by an FFL dealer, but can be sold P2P to a person as long as said person is over 18. Recently a man I was talking to in a gun shop mentioned this to be true in fact in Missouri. When I asked about purchasing permits for firearms before buying, the man behind the desk said that they are basically optional in Person to Person sales, and mentioned local gun shows as an example. What does anyone on here know about this?

 

[Baba Louie]

The infamous "Gun Show Loophole". A non FFL offers to sell some of his collection and rents a table at a gunshow. You show up, make an offer, complete a sale.
OR
You see or learn of someone who has a handgun or three to sell at a garage sale, ad in newspaper, from a friend, etc (again, a non FFL private citizen). You make an offer and complete the transaction, privately.

You now have a non-papered handgun.

If you are so inclined you COULD buy a license for purchase of those arms... giving the state gov't their little tax (part ownership?) and placing said transaction into some computer file... but why?

When you buy from an FFL, ALL rules apply, Fed, state and local. As far as I know MO law still allows P2P sale of private property.

Look for the Brady bunch to work towards changing that little "loophole" and doing their best to convince all of the newly elected D's in office about it helping save one child's life (by making criminal one more thing concerning firearms)

By the way, it's not really a "loophole". It's free market economics (the horror) at work.

 

[wdlsguy]

It was mentioned to me that with the majority of states, firearms cannot be sold to anyone under 21 by an FFL dealer

Under federal law, you must be 21 to buy a handgun from an FFL, 18 to buy a rifle or shotgun from an FFL. The ages to buy from non-FFLs vary from state to state.

... in Missouri. When I asked about purchasing permits for firearms before buying, the man behind the desk said that they are basically optional in Person to Person sales

You can read the Missouri statute for yourself here. It applies to "concealable firearms", which means "any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, measured from the face of the bolt or standing breech".

 

[raytracer]

ALL transfers of "Concealable Firearms" - i.e. handguns - in Missouri must be accompanied by a "Permit to Acquire" optained from the Sheriff's department in your county of residence. They $10 and can take up to a week to issue, although non urban counties usually issue them on the spot.

They are not optional for private transactions.

The only time they are exempt is with C&R eligible handguns.

As an aside, it was orginally implemented in order to keep undesireables from obtaining the tools to defend themselves. Undesireables being poor people, anyone on the outs with the entrenched power structure and, of course, anybody whose skin was darker than a light tan.

There are efforts underway to get it removed, but with the recent election results, it may be a while yet.

Joe

 

[Technosavant]

You might want to find another gun store- this guy sounds dangerous (in a legal kind of way). The MO Permit to Acquire is required for ALL handgun changes of ownership, whether through a FFL or person to person. Person to person sales of long guns do not require one. Also, in MO you can buy long guns at 18, so in state at least, the question is a moot point there.

 

[Harold Mayo]

As has been said, they aren't optional.

What has NOT been said is that very few people in MO, LE or otherwise, even care about that particular law. I did firearms purchases from individuals for years and years before a county sheriff, from whom I was buying a gun, asked if I wanted to go through the trouble of doing it. I did not but researched the law and found out that it exists.

Still yet, it IS the law and now, knowing about it, you really should follow it. Better safe than sorry.

 

[shaggycat]

In a state that doesn't require a permit to acquire license, can someone buy a firearm out of state? I was told by my local gun store I couldn't buy a gun from them in Tennessee, being a Kentucky resident, without shipping to a Kentucky FFL. Could I do a private transaction in TN?

 

[hornsmoker]

In a state that doesn't require a permit to acquire license, can someone buy a firearm out of state?

Fed law says you can buy a long gun across state lines and take it home, but you cannot buy a handgun in another state and take it home - it has to go through an FFL in the state where you are a legal resident. You also cannot travel to another state and do a FTF / private sell on handguns- that's only legal between residents of the same state.

 

[wdlsguy]

Fed law says you can buy a long gun across state lines and take it home

If you are buying said long gun from an FFL.

 

[Harold Mayo]

Actually, you CAN buy a handgun in a state in which you aren't a full-time resident but I've never figured out how it actually works. If you're a part-time resident of the state, you are supposedly able to purchase a handgun there but I've never tried or had anyone explain what to do. I always just carry a couple of FFL copies so that I can buy and let them ship immediately.

 

[wdlsguy]

Actually, you CAN buy a handgun in a state in which you aren't a full-time resident but I've never figured out how it actually works. If you're a part-time resident of the state, you are supposedly able to purchase a handgun there but I've never tried or had anyone explain what to do.

I imagine you'd need a state-issued ID showing you have an address in the other state, for starters.

Example 2. A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.

27 CFR 478.11

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_06/27cfr478_06.html

 

[shaggycat]

That would definately be the category I fall under. I am a college student, so I am here all but the summer. I guess a student id or something of the like would be the way to go as far as ID.

Very helpful, thanks guys!

 

[wdlsguy]

Hard to say if an FFL would accept a student ID as proof of residence or not.

 

[shaggycat]

Hmmm, I am sure I could get papers from the Office of Residence Life.

 

[stlgunfan]

HEre in Missouri a "Permit to Aquire" is needed to do a personal firearms transaction on a handgun.

However No one in recent history has been charged for a Misdemeanor for not getting a permit.

However like Ive said in previous post, in Stl County want you to have a proof of purchase for each firearm you own. So if you dont have a permit, and they run the gun and it shows up under that persons name they could take the gun saying its not yours.

Its BS. I never carry the bill of sales to my guns on me, or my permits.

Do I carry my receipts for my underwear Im wearing, or the pair of shoes Im wearing? No. They can go ahead and take my gun, then deal with me in Federal Court.