selling long-guns

[Leon DeGamme]

First of all I want to say "hello". I am new here but a frequent lurker of many pro-gun forums. I respect all your opinions and need you guys to tell me something. I know that alot of you are going to say im over paranoid and I will agree with you. Living here in Kornifornia has put me in a constant state of "alarm" in regards to being a lawful gun owner. Heres my question--- How many of you have ALL your sales receipts from EVERY gun you ever sold? I am talking about long guns and yes, I know that HANDGUNS are automatically registered with the DOJ here in Kornifornia when you purchase it. As you know, there is a paper trail that the ATF uses to trace a crime firearm to the first lawful consumer of the weapon. From there on the consumer will state what happened to the firearm ie. he sold it or it was stolen. Now, when you state that you sold the weapon, I imagine you should have some paperwork to back this up. I am just wondering what would happen if you didnt have the paperwork and maybe not even remembered who you sold it to if 10+ years have passed. I know its probably not realistic to keep sales receipts from a decade ago but I feel that under certain scenarios it may keep you from being accused of something that you had nothing to do with. So guys, how have you personally dealt with this situation? Do you still have all your sales receipts to prove you sold the firearm or is it something that is really not a consideration to you?

 

[jefnvk]

I sold my last gun to a dealer at a gun show. I have no idea who it is, or where his shop is at. I don't worry about it. I don't think that I would worry about it anymore than if I sold it to a private party. I ask how old they are, and if there is nything prohibiting them from owning a gun. Other than that, when the gun hits their hands, and the money hits mine, they have the sole responsibility for what they do with it.

 

[beerslurpy]

I dont know, not live in CA if you own guns?

Thats the strategy that worked for me. My kalashnikovs are happily living in western Florida.

CA has:
-overpriced real estate
-too much tax
-high cost of living
-restrictive car and gun laws
-the people that voted for said laws
-crappy job market right now
+lots of awesome racetracks and really nice mountains

FL has:
+cheap real estate that is constantly going up in value
+no income tax
+pretty much no gun restrictions, I even have CCW now
+no smog check, I have a turbo miata with no smog equipment whatsoever as my weekend/track car
+plenty of tech jobs that are only marginally less well paying than CA
-unfortunately, no mountains and turdy weather year round

I like not having to spend a weekend removing all the mods from my car once a year to pass smog. In FL you can run a carbed big block with a mt everest lobed cam and no cats or EGR and you wont even get pulled over (tho you might for noise). My car has an idle that sounds like a tugboat (cams + injectors + no cat/muffler). Yeah, my car probably pollutes more than the average 2004 toyota camry, but its not like I drive it every day.

I also like being able to defend myself AND my property from intruders without worrying about going to jail. Climb over the fence and catch some lead. Castle Doctrine rules.

 

[Leon DeGamme]

Thanks Jefnvk. I like to know im not alone and there are others in the same boat who feel thats its not a issue. What bothers me is that I did everything legally when I sold this weapon but I still feel that I may be accused of some wrong-doing. This pansy-ass state has put me in a constant state of paranoia. A law abiding gun owner has to keep looking over his shoulder out here or he will be "made a example of" by the anti's. If anyone else would like to offer their advice/experience,i would greatly appreciate it. By the way, me and my wife are planning to move to the Oregon/Washington area once school is finished.

 

[EOD Guy]

If you sold the firearm in California legally then the dealer that handled the transfer would have entered the rifle into his "bound book" and then logged it out to the purchaser after the 10 day wait.

 

[Leon DeGamme]

Yes..the dealer has to record the transaction in his "bound book" but if it was 10 years ago and you dont remember the dealer, then it doesnt really help. I dont know which dealer has this info is or how to access it. The info. in his bound book isnt recorded anywhere but at the dealers location, so there is still no sales record in a law enforcement accessible database that would prove I sold it.

 

[EOD Guy]

Actually, the dealer has to maintain his records for 20 years, but if you don't have a record of what dealer did the transfer and when, it won't do you much good. Personally, if the sale was that long ago, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Leon DeGamme]

Although I HATE the damn laws here in Kali, I am glad I dont live in Chicago. What is really screwed up is they ACTUALLY ENFORCE THIS GARBAGE. Heres a tidbit of the Illinois State gun laws.

"A buyer is required to show his Firearms Owner`s Identification Card (FOID) when purchasing any firearms or ammunition. Any seller is required to withhold delivery of any handgun for 72 hours, and of any rifle or shotgun for 24 hours, after application for purchase is made. The waiting period does not apply to a buyer who is a dealer, law enforcement officer, or a nonresident at a gun show recognized by the Illinois Department of State Police. The seller must retain for 10 years a record of the transfer, including a description of the firearm (including serial number), the identity of the buyer, and the buyer`s FOID number."

Sucks huh? and here's a article about some poor guy who didnt keep his records for the full 10 years because he was HOMELESS!! Where the hell was he going to keep the records if he doesnt even have a home??

http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=8327