Senate bill S1813 does not allow the IRS to take your guns

[JohnPierce]

Gun owners are as susceptible to urban legends as any other group of people on the internet. In fact, they may be more susceptible since there are so many convoluted attempts to use backdoor means to obstruct the right to keep and bear arms that nothing seems impossible.

The latest urban legend to gain traction in the gun rights community is the claim that Senate Bill S1813 allows the IRS to strip you of your gun rights and carry permit based upon back-taxes owed.

This is not true and we do not need to be spreading misinformation.

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[Midwest]

Thank you for posting this.

 

[Rail Driver]

In fact, the only thing correct about the Before It’s News claim is the page number. Here is my response to the person who emailed me originally:

1) There is such a bill.

2) It does have a page 1320

3) The word ‘firearm’ does appear on that page

4) It is on a section dealing with special permits for the transportation of hazardous materials

5) It says that firearms transported by individuals for personal use or in commerce are NOT subject to the hazardous materials special permit requirements. This is a PRO-GUN provision in the bill.

It wouldn't surprise me if anti-gun advocates are the original source of some of these rumors involving pro-gun legislation being misbelieved to be harmful to our RKBA.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

It wouldn't surprise me if anti-gun advocates are the original source of some of these rumors involving pro-gun legislation being misbelieved to be harmful to our RKBA.

Why would they need to? The gun community has plenty of people who are constantly coming up with wacky scenarios based on any tidbit they find and there are "Chicken Littles' pass on the information without a second thought.

 

[alsaqr]

Why would they need to? The gun community has plenty of people who are constantly coming up with wacky scenarios based on any tidbit they find and there are "Chicken Littles' pass on the information without a second thought.

Bingo!!
The conspiracy theorists and farouters come up with this TEOTWAWKI stuff knowing full well many gunowners will pass it on as gospel.

 

[Rail Driver]

Why would they need to?

Because they haven't succeeded in stripping us of our RKBA yet. I'm not saying gun owners don't invent their own BS and spread it - they do sometimes. I'm saying that it wouldn't surprise me if some of these false rumors have origins in the anti-gun camp - it wouldn't be the first time one side has spread false rumors against the other side in regards to some heated issue, and that's not just guns - it's in anything. Since we're limited to RKBA discussion here, however, I won't go into that.

Just because you or I wouldn't do something like that doesn't mean that they wouldn't. The anti-gun groups have already shown a marked avoidance of the truth, logic, and common sense. Why should that be any different in this case?

That said, it's pretty effectively impossible to find the actual original source of the rumor, so there's really no way to say for sure either way.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

That said, it's pretty effectively impossible to find the actual original source of the rumor, so there's really no way to say for sure either way.

I wouldn't say it is "pretty effectively impossible" in this case. It spread to most of the guns forums from various conservative sites which seemed to mostly pick it up from Infowars (this should have been the first red flag, although, they have printed a retraction.). Infowars got it from a blogger who picked it up from examiner.com, who picked it up from the conspiracy site Before It's News. That site got it from here, which appears to be the originating site, particularly as none of the reference to the bill before that (including the ones linked from that article) mention firearms.

While that may not be definitive enough for some (and for some, nothing ever would be enough), it's enough for me. While I wouldn't rule out a very small percentage of rumors may be started as some sort of false flag, it seems more likely that the vast majority of rumors are started by well-intentioned and enthusiastic people on "our side".

Of course, there really isn't much to discuss since this thread was simply started to drive traffic to John Pierce's site.

 

[Rail Driver]

I wouldn't say it is "pretty effectively impossible" in this case. It spread to most of the guns forums from various conservative sites which seemed to mostly pick it up from Infowars (this should have been the first red flag, although, they have printed a retraction.). Infowars got it from a blogger who picked it up from examiner.com, who picked it up from the conspiracy site Before It's News. That site got it from here, which appears to be the originating site, particularly as none of the reference to the bill before that (including the ones linked from that article) mention firearms.

While that may not be definitive enough for some (and for some, nothing ever would be enough), it's enough for me. While I wouldn't rule out a very small percentage of rumors may be started as some sort of false flag, it seems more likely that the vast majority of rumors are started by well-intentioned and enthusiastic people on "our side".

Of course, there really isn't much to discuss since this thread was simply started to drive traffic to John Pierce's site.

Maybe I should have said "generally" instead of "pretty much effectively". In this case, you decided to take the time to search out the origin of the rumor - I didn't bother to take the time to do that.

Generally when the rumors are longer lived than this one was, it's much more difficult to find out where it started. Even in this case, there's no telling where the author of the "Occupy Corporatism" site got it from or if he simply invented the rumor himself.

 

[hso]

It wouldn't surprise me if anti-gun advocates are the original source of some of these rumors involving pro-gun legislation being misbelieved to be harmful to our RKBA.

There's no need.

The hysterical element in the gun community that make their living/exercise their egos off of crying the sky is falling (please pay attention to me/click on my website) are some of our own worst enemies. We do ourselves and the community as a whole whimpering and pissing ourselves over imagined boogey men when we have real enemies looking for real ways to strip us of our rights.

 

[Rail Driver]

There's no need.

The hysterical element in the gun community that make their living/exercise their egos off of crying the sky is falling (please pay attention to me/click on my website) are some of our own worst enemies. We do ourselves and the community as a whole whimpering and pissing ourselves over imagined boogey men when we have real enemies looking for real ways to strip us of our rights.

I agree, hso, which is why when I posted my thread on CISPA, (even though it wasn't directly a RKBA issue, it could very well affect THR directly) I did my own research on the bill itself and spent over 2 hours formulating the post I put up - I don't agree with spreading false rumors at all.

My point is, though, that just because they don't need to doesn't mean the anti-gun camp doesn't do it - look at the Brady Campaign's constant inflated and even downright falsified statistics - if that's not spreading false information in order to further the anti-gun cause and hamper the pro-gun cause I don't know what is. It's no different than planting rumors of anti-gun legislation for pro-gunners to spread themselves, and it's a heck of a lot easier when you can get your enemies to do the work for you. I'd expand on that last statement by providing an example, but that would turn this into a political discussion and I'd like to avoid that.

*Edit to add - if the OP is getting paid for clicks on his website, even though I agree with what he said, it's my opinion that the link should be taken down - THR isn't meant to be a profit engine - it's a RKBA discussion board, or we try to keep it as such anyway. If nothing else, Mr. Pierce should note in his OP whether or not he actually does get paid for the clicks from his post to his site.

 

[JohnBT]

I searched the bill yesterday to rebut this claim on another forum. Couldn't find the gun claim, but the IRS can file to have your passport revoked or not renewed, etc. if they have a claim against you.

Pages 1447 and 1448 mention the Passport Act of 1926. The IRS must have filed a "notice of lien" or "notice of levy", etc.

The Passport Act of 1926.

 

[JohnBT]

The articles/blogs I looked at yesterday seemed to lead back to a mid-March piece in thedailyeconomist.com

www.thedailyeconomist.com/2012/03/bill-in-congress-could-suspend-your.html

thedailyeconomist? Never heard of it.

John