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Not sure this is the right thread but here goes.

So a day or two ago some South Carolina Sheriff was on the news because some woman had been assaulted, here is an excerpt from USA Today.

SPARTANBURG, SC (USA Today) -- A county sheriff in South Carolina is urging women to get concealed weapons permits and carry guns.
GoUpstate.com reports that Spartanburg Sheriff Chuck Wright made the statements while discussing an attempted rape at a local park. Wright suggested a .45-caliber weapon, because "you don't have to be accurate, you just have to be close" to a target, the website reports.
Wright even displayed a fanny pack with a gun that women could wear while jogging.
Walter Lance, 46, is charged with kidnapping, first-degree criminal sexual conduct and grand larceny in connection with the assault. Wright says Lance was fortunate someone with a gun didn't hear the victim's screams and put the "animal" down, the website reports.
"That would have fixed this," Wright says. "Ladies, walk in groups. ... I don't want you to go for the Mace; I want you to go for the concealed weapons permit. Gun control to me is when you can get your barrel back on the target quick."

Anyway, the local radio stations are making a big thing out of this guy’s honest appraisal of what women should do, and few interesting questions came up:

How many women have used a concealed weapon to successfully defend themselves against assault?

How many people in general have successfully used a concealed weapon to defend against an assault?

How many people have wound up in jail as a result of using a concealed weapon?

In listening to the radio it is astounding to hear the ridiculous ideas folks have about people who carry concealed weapons, what a bunch of ignorant fools. One said this was nothing more than vigilantly justice, another said that the gun would defiantly be taken and used against the victim, and so on and so on.

My question is, has there ever been any type of definitive study on the numbers of concealed carry folks who have successfully defended themselves against attack?
 
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Vigilante justice is when you seek out criminals by yourself to take them down. Self defense is when there is an active threat that you are defending yourself from.

The problem with this type of study is that people who open carry may prevent attacks without even realizing it. People who CC or OC may prevent attacks by being prepared - I think the average person who legally carries a gun is going to be more alert than the average person who does not carry. Reason being the person who carries has a reason to carry (preparation for self defense), while the person who does not carry is probably in condition white.
 
My question is, has there ever been any type of definitive study on the numbers of concealed carry folks who have successfully defended themselves against attack?
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Not really, and the folks who have looked into it find that most uses of a gun in self defense do not result in the gun being fired or, in many cases, the police even being called.

Most crime stats are tracked by LE organizations, so if LE is never called the stat doesn't go into the books.

I have used a firearm a few times to defend myself and others over the years. None of the incidents resulted in the gun being fired so none of them would go into any statistic.

another said that the gun would defiantly be taken and used against the victim
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This one you CAN disprove, the statistics don't hold that one up at all.

By the way, there is at least one open thread on this already, but it's discussing more what the Sheriff said about the type of guns, so we'll leave this one open as a different discussion for now. If you want to talk about his comments on the Taurus Judge, please take it to the other thread.
 
another said that the gun would defiantly be taken and used against the victim
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I can see this happening in one of two situations, actually:

1) The person pulls out a gun thinking "they'll back down" but is unwilling to take a life. Perp calls the bluff and grabs the gun.

2) The person is at home, asleep, and for whatever reason doesn't wake up (let's say a broken window and a heavy sleeper), and the gun isn't locked up or well hidden. Perp finds the gun in the desk drawer and uses it.

I believe I have prepared for these two situations. For problem 1, I have put myself in the mindset that if I have a valid reason to defend myself - I will. For problem 2, I encourage people to keep their loaded guns either hidden in a non-obvious hiding spot, or locked up. Thus, I am not worried about my gun being used against me, but prepared for the situations in which I can see that happening.
 
another said that the gun would defiantly be taken and used against the victim
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The only way I can see this happening is if the woman is unwilling to pull the trigger.

I pity, but despise, women who have so little respect for themselves that they'd rather let someone hurt them than hurt an attacker. How are they supposed to do their duty of protecting their children if they think like that?

I understand how social pressures lead many of my fellow women to think this way, but it doesn't stop me from wanting to slap them silly for it because they're setting themselves up for a lot of bad things with that attitude.
 
I pity, but despise, women who have so little respect for themselves that they'd rather let someone hurt them than hurt an attacker. How are they supposed to do their duty of protecting their children if they think like that?

I understand how social pressures lead many of my fellow women to think this way, but it doesn't stop me from wanting to slap them silly for it because they're setting themselves up for a lot of bad things with that attitude.
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It's why women stay in abusive relationships, I think.

Although I find it odd that you want to slap someone because they let people hit them. Kind of misses the point, if you ask me.
 
"Wright suggested a .45-caliber weapon, because "you don't have to be accurate, you just have to be close" to a target, the website reports. "

No, Wright suggested that women carry the Taurus Judge in particular because you don't have to be accurate due to using shotshells, not .45 bullets.

Each propaganda outlet spliced and diced his words to fit their agenda, MSNBC the most anti, Fox the most pro.

A lot of people think women are too dainty to protect theirselves. Can't aim a pistol. Can't bring themselves to shoot, ie, they freeze. Whatever. They are hindered by the same feelings and reactions as the rest of us, although hormones may play a role as to what drives a person to react one way or another.

As to taking the pistol away and shooting the woman with it... That woman shouldn't be carrying in the first place. I taught my wife that her pistol stays in her posession no matter what. Even if it means a life or death struggle, she has to maintain posession of it at all times, and if someone tries to disarm her, well, take 'em out.

Women being vigilantes huh? Again, hormones. I think this is more of a male response, and again, a fringe response not representative of the whole. Never heard of many women vigilantes, although the sniper with the most credited kills is over 400 and was big Helga type manly looking woman from Russia, Stalingrad I think. Wow. Number two is a Russian woman too if I recall correctly. But they picked a guy to be the propaganda subject to recruit and inspire more Russians in the battle, he was good but not half as good as that one lady.

I don't know how many women successfully defend themselves, I suspect some you don't hear of, sometimes brandishing gets the job done and it doesn't get reported. Then again, most of the women that did get in a shootout that make the news are usually grannies. The news love grannies with guns for some reason. Spunky old women.

I'd say overall that males are more proficient at carrying and defense, because we are both hardwired for it and because we practice more and are generally more into weapons than women. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't carry, it just means they need to understand the differences in combat capability between a man and a woman and they need some kind of training or instruction as to how to use the weapon, particularly if shooting isn't part of their pastime.
 
I saw this article posted in another (completely non-gun) forum. They supported the Sheriff and thought his opinion was refreshing.

As long as he doesn't say anything too whacked out as to paint a negative picture on gun owners, we should support such a person. God knows not every LEO thinks like him.
 
I wish this state would get a few Sheriffs such as this. Maybe then we will not be the ONLY state in the country that doesn't allow concealed carry! I've worked very hard at training my wife and children in self defense with the use of everything from firearms to a spoon. (A spoon handle to the eye can be VERY effective :) ) The old adage "A woman can not safely handle a firearm because it could easily be taken away from her" should be thrown out of everyones heads. Its a re-tarded and outdated thought. Women can be even more vigilant than men. Yes men are hardwired for protection but I have a news flash for some of you cave dwelling men out there, a female of ALL animal species including human, is one of the most aggressive and protective entities on this planet.
 
(1)another said that the gun would defiantly be taken and used against the victim

(re: 1)The person pulls out a gun thinking "they'll back down" but is unwilling to take a life. Perp calls the bluff and grabs the gun.
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I could see this happening. We were discussing self defense with firearms at a dinner last week. One of my friend's girlfriends said, "You dont have to shoot, just be scary." I was quick to correct her, "If you are in enough danger to pull a gun, you NEED to be able to pull the trigger."

The news love grannies with guns for some reason. Spunky old women.
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I have no remorse for anyone who tries to attack my Aunt Elva. She's a 5' 2" 60ish old red haired lady with a .44 Magnum in her purse. She knows how to shoot it, and would not hesitate if she needed to.
 
a female of ALL animal species including human, is one of the most aggressive and protective entities on this planet.
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He he. Yeppers. When protecting themselves, they might think nothing is going to happen to them. When protecting their child, God save the perp who grabs them.

The same is true of Lions, bears or any other female animal protecting their young. I, for one, am glad God hardwired that behavior into females.
 
Yep, here you go :D

"Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year" - [17] Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. http://www.springerlink.com/content/rngn3274255v6j67/


Thats over 2,700 incidents per day!


From: http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

The above link is amazing by the way, TONS of purely factual firearm statistics and information gathered by the FBI, BATFE, and others.

Too bad it seems nobody in government knows about this source :banghead:
 
In the news conference, Wright said Lance had been convicted of 20 crimes dating back to 1983, including disorderly conduct, domestic violence, assault and battery with intent to kill, and resisting arrest, among others.
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Ted Nugent had something to say about repeat offenders. I agree. :)

Our system is clearly not dealing effectively with people like this. I believe that this is the #1 reason that the number of armed citizens grows each day.

It is regrettable that so many of our fellow citizens must first fall victim to these animals before learning this lesson.
 
I just got a news update from family in England. Apparently, there is a massive anti-knife campaign going on up there. It's all the same VPC stuff we get here, only using edged weapon terms. What's next? A permit to buy safety scissors?
 
I've got a coworker that's a huge fan of British gun laws (very liberal person who actually would prefer if America were a monarchy and wants to move to Britain). Can you give me a link to that anti-knife campaign?
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8568390.stm

Nevermind, I found it. Hmmm...it's not actually a campaign to get rid of knives, but rather to "stop knife violence." Interesting, so with guns it's "we need to ban guns", but with knives it's "we need to stop violence." Best way to stop knife violence is to have a gun, IMO. Who brings a knife to a gunfight?

In a serious note, I dont see why the same principles can't be applied to guns as knives - stop gun VIOLENCE, don't ban guns.
 
I have no remorse for anyone who tries to attack my Aunt Elva. She's a 5' 2" 60ish old red haired lady with a .44 Magnum in her purse. She knows how to shoot it, and would not hesitate if she needed to.
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That's scary right there! Don't mess with the redheads.:eek:
 
I praise the sheriff for this, saw headline on one site that said he was taking heat. Taking heat, I am sure from the gun grabbing socialists trying to take over this country.
 
There was an 70+ year old lady whose husband had stroked, and he lay in the hospital. She arrived home at 10 pm and some low lifes were backed up to her firewood just a loading it. Well this lady saw red, pulled her .38 and cut loose. The miscreants left so fast that they lost the wood they had loaded. Ha ha. That was back in the late seventies or early 80's in McMinnville, Tn.
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