Skeet question/problem

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I've been shooting skeet for a about 2 yrs now and run several 25's and one 50. A couple weeks ago I ended up winning our clubs doubles match which was really cool! Well, last week I hit a rut, I started missing low 1 on the doubles and low 2 single. :confused: I have been closing my left eye (I'm right handed obviously) to shoot low 1 for awhile now. With both eyes open, I miss low 1 ~90% of the time. Low 8 is the same way, have to close my left eye. All other stations I shoot both eyes open. Now my question is why would I know have to start closing my left eye to shoot doubles at 1 and to hit low 2? :confused: :banghead: Can eye dominance change or am I doing something else wrong? My theory is the longer I watch a target, the more chance my eye dominance switches. Any one experience this while shooting skeet? BTW, I'm shooting a Browning Citori 12ga O/U.
 
Interesting.

Sounds like you're on the right track.

Ever seen one of those fiberoptic beads that sits in a channel, so you can't see it with your "off" eye? The only gadget for eye-dominance issues that I care for.

Normally, I don't care for fiber sights, but this might be an exception. They're pretty cool, and just a small dot. Might be worth trying, just to see.

How do you shoot pistols? What eye(s) I mean?
 
How do you shoot pistols? What eye(s) I mean?

Right eye, but I do a bit of point shooting. I would close my left eye for bullseye.

I too don't like the idea of a fiber optic sight, but there are several good shooters I know with them. Some also have an ocluder on thier non-dominant lense. I tried a piece of tape which worked for low 1 and 2, but caused problems at 6. I've also seen red beads, but I've never tried them. I think I would be looking at the barrel too much and measuring the lead. I do have an old stick on fiber sight that I could try this weekend. I might just give it a shot.
 
I keep both eyes open but a put a strip of frosted scotch tape on the left lens of my shooting glasses, I used to have a dominate problem, that cured it for me.
 
You are on the right track. I am right eye dominant, but tend to focus both eyes on slow or distant targets. I also shoot both eyes open all the time. I've tried the tape on the glasses, eye patches, different beads, ect, but what overcame the problem for me was learning to break the target as soon as possible. It just took alot of practice. Oddly, if it is raining or snowing I don't have the problem as my left eye has something else to focus on. This works out great, since I duck hunt ALOT.

t2e
 
Whenever I shoot skeet for practice, just like sporting, I use a low gun and move mount shoot style starting with both eyes open to track the target. When I get ready to pull the trigger I seem to close my off eye......guessing from years shooting rifles with scopes. Don't know if that might work for you.....
 
Here is an interesting read for those who might be experiencing the same or similar issues with eye dominance. I found this on a Trapshooters.com forum.
Subject: Dominant eye switched....what now?
From: MTA Tom
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This is a very complicated, contoversial issue. I'm reposting Michael Yardley's thoughts, which I think make more sense than most:

"For most people, shotgunning is easier and more effective with both eyes open. Binocular vision facilitates the estimation of distance speed and angle, and helps one to get the full benefits of hand-to-eye coordination (if you doubt it, try catching a ball with one eye shut). There are other benefits to binocular vision such as reduced tension and fatigue. However, do not believe those who tell you simplistically that everyone should shoot with both eyes open. It is just not that simple (which condemns more than a few shooting tomes to the pyre): the critical consideration is eye dominance.

It is a curiosity of the binocular system of human vision (at least in most adult males) that one eye tends to control pointing. If a finger were pointed at a distant object, there would be a straight line relationship from object to finger to eye. The pointing eye, whichever it may be, is called the dominant or master eye. The majority of adult men have eye dominance which matches their handedness and, once this is confirmed, are well advised to shoot with both eyes open. There are other possibilities. Some may be cross-dominant (e.g., right-handed with a left master); a few have central vision (neither eye dominating); and others may be predominantly but not fully dominant in one eye. For those shooting a standard gun who fall into one of these categories, the best advice is usually to shut or squint one eye. In women and children, absolute dominance in the eye overlooking the breech is the exception, and one-eyed shooting is often the simplest remedy too.

Eye dominance is an intriguing phenomenon in which biological, environmental and experiential factors appear to play a role. Eye dominance in boys typically becomes more absolute with advancing years. In middle-aged men, however, it may become less absolute. It may be affected by training (disciplining oneself to sustain focus on the bird and ignore any “ghost” image), but results are unpredictable. It is (largely) unrelated to visual acuity (one can have poor vision in one eye yet it can still be more dominant as far as the control of pointing is concerned). It can vary in the same individual. It can be disturbed by fatigue, ill-health, staring at computer screens, long-distance driving and low light levels. It is not just a physical phenomenon, but a mental one as well. Having considered some of the scientific literature while researching this book, it appears that gunfitters may have a more profound understanding of eye dominance than anyone else (especially with regard to sex and age differences).

The diagnosis of eye dominance certainly involves far more than a simple – and potentially inaccurate – observation that an individual is right or left eye dominant (any testing method that only gives “either/or” results is worthless). It is common, for example, to find a male client who has what might be called “pseudo-dominance”, i.e., when tested, one eye appears to be almost – but not quite fully – dominant. Such a condition is easily overlooked by an inexperienced or sloppy instructor (typically being misdiagnosed as full dominance). However, the effects on shooting can be profound. Typically, there will be many inexplicable misses on quartering and crossing targets where the lead does not favor the dominance.

It is not uncommon, moreover, for shooters to be wrongly advised to switch shoulders having been told they were cross-dominant, when in fact their dominance in the opposite eye was not absolute (much better and simpler advice would have been to stick to the “strong” shoulder and squint an eye). All of which leads me to conclude that the precise diagnosis of a client’s eye dominance is one of the most vital considerations in shooting instruction. One need make no apologies for dealing with it in the most scrupulous manner…. A right-hander with a left master eye (or a left-hander with a right master eye) has a number of options. One of the easiest, in the former case, is to shoot from the right shoulder but closing or dimming the left eye prior to firing. Rather than keeping the eye shut throughout the pickup, swing and mount, it will be better for most sporting and game shots to dim the eye as the gun comes up to the shoulder. This way one gets some of the benefits of binocular vision and has an increased field of view during the critical pickup phase. It is a definite mistake to dim the eye only at the last moment as this may be visually confusing.

The offending eye may be covered with a patch (although instructors who inflict this on novices should try it themselves), or if the student wears spectacles, a block to vision may be placed over the appropriate lens. This need not be a full-sized patch but may be a much smaller block, refined so that it is no more than a half inch across. One may use electrician’s tape, a smudge of Vaseline, chapstick, typing correction fluid or a Magic Dot on the lens to achieve this (once the position and size are confirmed, glasses may be permanently and neatly modified by sandblasting in an optical workshop)…. Kay Ohye, the famous trap shot, developed a “blinder” to be attached to the rib near the muzzles of over-and-unders. It has subsequently been manufactured by several firms. Another clever device consists of a U-shaped channel with a fluorescent sight at one end. This may be attached to the barrel and when in place, the brightly-coloured insert can only be seen by the eye looking along the rib. A similar effect may be achieved by using the thumb on the forend to block the vision of the eye not looking down the rib (as practiced by both Churchill and Barry Simpson)….

A traditional remedy for those whose master eye and handedness do not correspond, is to learn to shoot from the left (or weak) shoulder with or without a suitably adapted (cast-off changed to cast-on triggers reshaped) gun. I do not usually favour this course (though it is sometimes appropriate). The advantage of binocular vision may be outweighed by the awkwardness of the manoeuvre. It is my experience that few of those who are forced to take this route develop into really first class shots (although many one-eyed shots, beating the odds, do)….

Finally beware: not everyone who shoots as their eye dominance – as tested – might suggest. Some may be able to shoot well with both eyes open, even though initial testing without a gun indicates a dominance problem. Some will have inconsistent eye dominance (my own normally right-eyed dominance fades and can even switch when I get tired). Some will have a master eye significantly weaker than the other as far as visual acuity is concerned. Inability to focus can undermine eye dominance. (Sometimes those with contact lenses who have a slight eye dominance problem, may be advised to shoot with the left lens removed.) Some people’s eye dominance is affected by the choice of gun. Short guns and side-by-sides tend to cause more problems than the more pointable over-and-unders. Changing to longer barrels can help someone with a mild eye-dominance problem…."

The Shotgun, a Shooting Instructor’s Handbook, Michael Yardley, copyright 2001, Safari Press
 
GUYS GUYS! Wait up a minute!

Go have your vision checked before you do anything else. Eye infections, and allergies do not always manifest themselves in an obvious manner. This could be skewing your vision. (Allergies don't always itch for example) Your eyes may now need a prescription lens OR you may need to have the prescription changed. Your non-dominant eye may go weaker over time (mine did) resulting in a problem with focus between them. There are other vision problems that may be occurring, and since this seems SUDDEN, you should see an opthamologist NOT an optometrist.

LD
 
Thanks, LD. I did just that. My sister-in-law works for a eye doctor and I got in to see him. Script checks out, I do have some ocular allergies and I take Pataday. He stated that this happens from time to time and that there is really no such thing as a "dominant" eye. Throughout the day it can and does change from 1 eye to the other. He called it a "sighting eye preference". :scrutiny: He suggested closing my left eye when I need to and shooting both open when I can. It's really weird because one of the other guys I shoot with (not all the time, but frequently) has developed the same missing pattern. Our solution so far has been to close my left eye for low 1 & 2, shoot the 1st bird of doubles with both eyes open, the close the left eye for the second bird. It worked great today, didn't miss a pair at 1 or 2 in all 4 rounds. I talked with some more experienced shooters and one had the exact same problem. He was shooting both eyes open, then started missing targets. Closed his non-dominant eye and started grinding them again. He now shoots with an ocluder. I hope that I don't have to start doing that because it's really annoying, not as annoying as missing targets though!:D
 
My late coach would have me go back to the bare basics whenever I developed an issue with a target. His feeling was that you should revert to basics instead of trying "innovative" fixes. If you go back to what worked for so long and still don't "get it back", then you might suspect eyes or flinch. Dry fire a few high ones. That'll tell you a lot. Better to get a good set of eyes to watch you and give some feedback though.

No one can diagnose your problem without actually seeing you shoot, but... When I get the yips on high one it's almost always gun position or eye position, or a combo of both. Muzzle creeps up, I jump trying to hit 'em. Eyes aren't shifted up, I get surprised and jump awkwardly at the bird.
 
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