natedog
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What is the smallest production autoloading pistol ever built?
Smallest autoloader?
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tiberius
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Indeed, but isn't it sill a bit larger than the Baby Browning? Errrrr....now I'm gonna have to look up the numbers
tiberius
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OK I found the data. Please correct me if any of the below is wrong, but it looks like the Baby is a bit smaller.
Bany Browning
TOTAL LENGTH : 103 mm = 4.05â€
TOTAL HEIGHT : 73 mm = 2.87â€
TOTAL WIDTH : 21 mm = 0.83â€
Seecamp
TOTAL LENGTH : 4.25â€
TOTAL HEIGHT : 3.25
TOTAL WIDTH : .75†slide/ .91†grip
I’ve never seen anything smaller, but there is probably something out there.
Bany Browning
TOTAL LENGTH : 103 mm = 4.05â€
TOTAL HEIGHT : 73 mm = 2.87â€
TOTAL WIDTH : 21 mm = 0.83â€
Seecamp
TOTAL LENGTH : 4.25â€
TOTAL HEIGHT : 3.25
TOTAL WIDTH : .75†slide/ .91†grip
I’ve never seen anything smaller, but there is probably something out there.
natedog
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These look pretty small http://www.amderringer.com/lms.html
tiberius
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The Simmerling is NOT an auto, it is hand cycled. The other does indeed look small, It say’s 3X4 but those don’t sound like exact measurements so it is probably VERY close to the baby.
Andrew Wyatt
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the lilliput.
BluesBear
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I believe the 2.7mm Kolibri is a smaller pistol than the 4.25mm Lilliput.
Yes that is a .45 ACP cartridge and 1911 magazine for reference.
Yes that is a .45 ACP cartridge and 1911 magazine for reference.
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Red_SC
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That's incredible! What are the statistics on it's one shot stops?
Mr. Mysterious
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2.7mm Kolibri Auto, 3 ft-lbs of energy at 650fps, and a 3 grain bullet.
Anyone know how much energy a bb has? Or a .177 pellet?
Anyone know how much energy a bb has? Or a .177 pellet?
Jiml3
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While not the smallest, a contender would be the ROHRBAUGH.
5.2" OAL
3.7" height
12.8oz weight
6 capacity
9 mm.
Check it out on Rohrbaugh guns.
5.2" OAL
3.7" height
12.8oz weight
6 capacity
9 mm.
Check it out on Rohrbaugh guns.
natedog
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I'd take a knife over that Kolibri pistol any day. Is that gun just supposed to be a novelty?
longeyes
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Where's the Beretta Jetfire fit into this group?
Nightcrawler
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They'd almost have to be; bb guns deliver more energy at the muzzle. Shot placement isn't everything, folks; the best shot placement in the world won't help if the bullet doesn't break the skin!
DougCxx
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.......
I don't have official figures, but drawing from memory:
-Cheap plastic BB or pellet pistol = <1 ft-lb.
-Cheap plastic BB or pellet rifle = 3-6 ft-lbs.
-Good quality manually-cocked pistols can get up to 3-5 ft-lbs, and rifles up to ~20 ft-lbs.
I have recently bought an IZH46M match pistol that is a single-pump pneumatic for example, that is shooting 7.1 grain pellets at ~485 FPS, and that totals about 3.58 ft-lbs.....
-CO2 and PCP guns can get higher than that, but get expensive fast. 30+ ft lbs for pistols (Falcon UK), 60-75+ for rifles (numerous manufacturers) ---> for regular airgun calibers and pellets, those being .177-.20-.22-.25. There's bigger stuff available, .375, 9mm, and ones that shoot black-powder bullets but these are really pretty rare (and don't get a lot of shots per fill!).
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BluesBear
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The 2.7mm Kolibri Pistol was semi-widely available in the years after WWI.
The 3mm is considered rare.
They were actually marketed as a self-defense pistol to carry in a ladies clutch purse. (Yeah like that was a good idea for a pistol with no triggerguard.)
One of the things to remember is that the 2.7x9mm and 3x8mm Kolobri ammunition was rimless & centerfire!
They also had a good reputation for functionality.
After all, when faced with an angry garden spider you'll need a weapon that is reliable.
There are "stories" of female spies using them during WWII. Supposidly they worked like a magnum whan fired into the ear canal. However I have my doubts.
The 3mm is considered rare.
They were actually marketed as a self-defense pistol to carry in a ladies clutch purse. (Yeah like that was a good idea for a pistol with no triggerguard.)
One of the things to remember is that the 2.7x9mm and 3x8mm Kolobri ammunition was rimless & centerfire!
They also had a good reputation for functionality.
After all, when faced with an angry garden spider you'll need a weapon that is reliable.
There are "stories" of female spies using them during WWII. Supposidly they worked like a magnum whan fired into the ear canal. However I have my doubts.
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